Re: [orca-list] text console use

[Willem van der Walt <wvdwalt csir co za>]

Hi,
Test with espeak from tty1 through 6
$espeak "hi there"
Does that speek?
Orca works through speech-dispatcher.
Is that configured to use alsa?
What happens when you try to run espeakup from a terminal?
This is likely off topic for the orca list though.
Regards, Willem


On Wed, 17 Oct 2018, Keith Barrett wrote:

> With all the chat on text console use, I am hoping some one here may be 
> able to reproduce an issue I am having with speakup in the console.
>
> Debian buster with 4.18.10-2pulseaudio removed and purged.
>
> I am loosing speech in the console, usually when switching between orca 
> back to the text console but some times speech just stops without switching.
> I still have audio working in the console using speaker-test proves this.
> The only way I have found to get speech back is to restart the system.
>
> I think the problem is either espeakup or espeak.
>
> I have tryed removing espeakup and reinstalling but it now does not 
> fully install and so I have no speech in the console.
>
> The output of apt-get is below.
>
> Can any one reproduce this?
>
>
>
> Reading package lists...
> Building dependency tree...
> Reading state information...
> espeakup is already the newest version (1:0.80-10).
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> 1 not fully installed or removed.
> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Setting up espeakup (1:0.80-10) ...
> update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; 
> falling back to defaults
> Job for espeakup.service failed because the control process exited with 
> error code.
> See "systemctl status espeakup.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
> invoke-rc.d: initscript espeakup, action "start" failed.
> ● espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
>    Loaded: loaded 
> (#]8;;file://debian/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service#/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service#]8;;#; 
> enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
>    Active: activating (auto-restart) (Result: exit-code) since Mon 
> 2018-10-15 23:15:52 BST; 17ms ago
>      Docs: #]8;;man:espeakup(8)#man:espeakup(8)#]8;;#
>   Process: 3089 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup -V ${VOICE} 
> #[0;1;31m(code=exited, status=2)#[0m
> dpkg: error processing package espeakup (--configure):
>  installed espeakup package post-installation script subprocess 
> returned error exit status 1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  espeakup
>
>
> On 15/10/18 23:00, Didier Spaier wrote:
> > I just installed it. It speaks both in a console with speakup
> > and in mate-terminal with orca.
> >
> > Key bindings from the documentation (don't seem to work in a console):
> > F1 Opens the documentation (mt in Matae-terminal as that opens the 
> terminal's help instead by default).
> > ARROW KEYS, PGUP, PGDN Scrolling
> > CTRL+q Exit app
> > CTRL+l Focus the URL bar
> > BACKSPACE Go back in history
> > CTRL+r Reload page
> > CTRL+t New tab
> > CTRL+w Close tab
> > CTRL+\ Cycle to next tab
> >
> > ALT+SHIFT+p Takes a screenshot. The status bar will display the saved path
> > ALT+m Toggles monochrome mode. Useful for overcoming rendering problems on 
> older terminals.
> > ALT+u Toggles the user agent between a desktop and a mobile device. Useful 
> for smaller terminals that want to use a more suitable layout.
> > Nice try, but far to be as mature as lynx for now.
> >
> > Best,
> > Didier
> >
> > On 10/15/18 11:38 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > I tried browsh and it opens the browsh home page but once that's done it
> > > appears the keyboard does not respond.  It could be I didn't use the
> > > right keys yet and I'm running this browsh command inside my home
> > > directory.  What's supplied is an executable for browsh.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, chrys wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:04:36
> > > > From: chrys <chrys linux-a11y org>
> > > > To: orca-list gnome org
> > > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] text console use
> > > >
> > > > Howdy Fernando,
> > > >
> > > > take a look at browsh. its a CLI browser based on firefox.
> > > > maybe its a start
> > > > https://www.brow.sh/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > cheers chrys
> > > > Am 15.10.18 um 22:11 schrieb Fernando Botelho:
> > > > > I looked for someone who could implement WebRTC on the console but could 
> not
> > > > > find anybody. I can look for funding again, if someone knows the right
> > > > > person.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fernando
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/13/2018 07:08 AM, Didier Spaier wrote:
> > > > > > To play Youtube on a Linux console, use mps-youtube.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About webRTC: I never heard of it until today. The home page says that
> > > > > > Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Android and IOS are supported and there is also
> > > > > > licode:
> > > > > > https://github.com/lynckia/licode
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we need to integrate it with a text web browser like lynx is
> > > > > > developers. Do you volunteer?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course a graphical environment is easier to grab. But for those who 
> have
> > > > > > the patience to learn, a text UI is usually as good and usually is more
> > > > > > feature comlete, when it exists.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stupidly old school? Yes I am, and proud of it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I didn't grew up on Commodore and stuff, because I used a personal 
> personal
> > > > > > computer for the first time in 1978 (yes, 40 years ago) and neither 
> ms-DOS
> > > > > > (1980) nor Commodore 64 (1082) existed then.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Still I was able to use the computer, which obviously had a proprietary 
> OS,
> > > > > > to translate into French its BASIC interpreter (key words and error
> > > > > > messages), all that in 64 Kb of RAM (yes, kilobytes) and not having the
> > > > > > source code at hand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > O Tempora! O Mores!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Didier
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 10/13/18 6:56 AM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > > You find me a CLI browser that can do webRTC and play Youtube without 
> a
> > > > > > > graphical environment, and I may change my tune but I'd argue a 
> graphical
> > > > > > > environment is easir to grab for everyone unless you're stupidly old
> > > > > > > school and grew up on Commodore and DOS stuff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 12/10/18 20:13, Didier Spaier wrote:
> > > > > > > > Funnily I would tend to ask the opposite question: why a blind person
> > > > > > > > would need a graphical environment?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know at least one blind Slint users who never use one.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I believe that most things done in a graphical environment can also 
> be
> > > > > > > > done in a console, often with a better productivity. This stands for
> > > > > > > > blind as well as sighted people.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A few examples: for writing you have a lot of text and code editors 
> like
> > > > > > > > nano, emacs and vim, mutt for emails, lynx and links for web 
> browsing,
> > > > > > > > mplayer to listen to music, vlc to listen to movies, crafty to play
> > > > > > > > chess, games like freeswipe or scribble, the list goes on and on.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Actually the first personal computer I used nearly 40 years ago 
> didn't
> > > > > > > > have a graphical environment, maybe that's why I am used to text 
> mode.
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Didier
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 10/12/18 7:48 PM, Michael Weaver via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I don't know if this is the right list to ask on as it is not 
> strictly
> > > > > > > > > Orca but it is about text screenreaders but is text console use 
> still
> > > > > > > > > necessary. I am not quite clear on this point. The reason is that 
> you
> > > > > > > > > can use the terminals in gnome, Mate or maybe other desktops like
> > > > > > > > > mate-terminal from an alt F2 run prompt which is why I ask about 
> text
> > > > > > > > > consoles, your CTRL ALT F1 to F6 which don't speak with Orca so need 
> a
> > > > > > > > > different screenreader.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just curious with projects like Fenrir.
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