Re: [orca-list] Could it be possible to reduce chattiness when opening the desktop ?

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Follow-up: I filed this issue against Caja. Give me something I can work
with, and I'll work with it. https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/issues/999

--joanie

On 05/16/2018 11:38 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hi Alex.
>
> In master, I have eliminated "layered pane". I have also eliminated
> saying "icon" when we have a description, so Orca won't say "foo plain
> text document icon"; it will just say "foo plain text document."
>
> Regarding the "frame," that is a bit trickier because we have to be able
> to distinguish the desktop frame from other frames. The only way I can
> think of to do that, since the name is localized, is look at the window
> size. But it is possible to make certain windows occupy the full screen,
> so additional heuristics would be needed. Which seems like a lot of work
> to do for every last window simply because some users don't want to hear
> one extra word. So for now, I'm not going to "fix" that "problem." What
> I've done instead is started a thread to see if everyone wants Orca to
> stop saying "frame" for windows. And if everyone never wants to hear
> "frame" ever, problem solved.
>
> In the meantime, I hope the reduction in chattiness will help all your
> users conclude that MATE and Linux are not complicated.
>
> --joanie
>
> On 05/16/2018 10:10 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Environment:
> > - Debian Sid
> > - Orca master
> > - Mate 1.20.1 (it's the same with olders releases, even if with GTK2)
> >
> > Steps to reproduce:
> > 1) Open an application
> > 2) Go to the desktop with ctrl+alt+d
> >
> > Result: Orca announces "desktop frame icon view layered pane"
> >
> > Result on Windows with NVDA: "desktop list"
> >
> > My proposal: Orca could announce "desktop" because the desktop implies
> > to be in icon view without the "layered pane" information that is
> > technically correct but I don't think it is useful to have it.
> >
> > The reason why I ask you that is because all our users ask us why the
> > announce is so complicated to indicate we're on the desktop? This
> > behavior let them think Mate and Linux is complicated.
> >
> > Best regards.
>
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