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Re: [orca-list] Dear God, I hope this isn't true!


To clear the doubt about git,

there are other solutions free and open source based on git.

gitlab is one such solution.

To answer if this is off topic, yes it is.

And few have said enough about it.

But there are flexible boundaries which don't really harm.

So those who feel these boundaries way too flexible may just skip the
emails and read what they find important.

The trouble will only be when things get off topic and way too much to
skip( a topic lite years away from the list theme and filling more than
100 msgs ).

Here it's not the case + some usefully irrelevant information always
gets shared on the list.

Please note the words usefully irrelevant.

Happy hacking.

Krishnakant.


On Monday 04 June 2018 11:26 PM, Christopher Gilland wrote:

Yasas Jace, Ti canate?

With all due respect to other members, I couldn't have said it better. Thank you for your input.

Irini tu Theú mazi.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces gnome org> On Behalf Of Jace Kattalakis
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 1:50 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Dear God, I hope this isn't true!

Again, Nolan. Nobody is forcing you to read any of the replies or 
messages however. You can simply skip an email, or delete it and move on 
instead of calling for censoring a list.

Let's take your logic a step further: Let's say this list IS in fact, 
hypothetically restricted to Orca discussion. Note. discussion....we'd 
lose a lot of topics, we'd have lost, for example, the gitlab link, we'd 
have lost the mate-tweak acessibility patch, we'd have lost, for 
instance, discussion of other accessible distros, we'd have lost Ubuntu 
discussion. That'd make the list a much, much poorer place to read.

I'm here because I use Orca and want to help with it. I'm not here to 
censor a list based on somebody's viewpoint however. I have no issue 
with the Github acqusition being discussed...agian, as long as things 
are kept civil and curteous. What exactly is the harm in discussing 
something, as long as everyone remains friendly and respectful? Here's 
the issue, you can't simply make a sweeping statement and then demand 
something, saying oh restrict the list to just Orca discussion, as a lot 
of things will get caught up in the middle. That's like, for instance, a 
record label getting a torrent site blocked. Yes it might block pirated 
music but it also blocks a ton of innocent stuff.

Or to bring this full circle....simply censoring the list would lose a 
lot of valuable info on all facets of Orca stuff, given you seem so 
determined to get rid of everything not Orca related. I get it, you 
don't want to hear about Github. Fine. Don't read the topic, delete the 
emails. Is it a perfect solution? No, but neither is censoring the list 
entirely


On 04/06/18 18:35, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Yes, it is censorship. I'm on this list because I'm curious about Orca
and its continued developments. If we don't censor the Orca list to
discussions about Orca, the woodworking list to discussions about
woodworking, the web RTC list to discussions about web RTC...then what's
the point of any of those lists? This "I'm going to pee in the pool
because it really shouldn't matter to you anyway, and you have the
freedom not to swim in the pool after I've peed in it" argument has
never made any sense to me. If you want the freedom to use any old list
to discuss any old topic, and can't be bothered to use any of the many
other internet forums where such discussions *are* on-topic, then where
am I expected to go if I'd rather discuss Orca and read more messages
than I delete?



On 06/04/2018 12:26 PM, Jace Kattalakis wrote:

As long as the discussion stays civil I don't see a reason why it
should be banned from being discussed here though, I have my own
issues and if anything saying X Y or Z is not allowed is blatant
censorship. If the discussion gets out of hand, sure, but if it
remains civil, I have zero issues discussing it. Besides, nobody is
forcing you to read every single mail thread, right? You can just skip
over the ones you don't feel like taking part in. For instance, I have
the Firefox buttons ones in my inbox, but I'm skipping over those to
get to actual imporant emails. There's no rule stating you absolutely
have to read and/or comment on every single thing on the list.

TL:DR Don't like it? Skip over it and delete the email, or just ignore
said email altogether


On 04/06/18 16:51, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Or Orca, for that matter. Can we please declare it off-topic and end the
discussion on the Orca list? There are massive doomsday threads on
Hacker News and bunches of other sites if you'd like to discuss the
gitpocalypse. Orca is not, nor has ever been officially hosted on
GitHub.


On 06/04/2018 10:45 AM, Will Estes wrote:

No.

It has nothing to do with linux accessibility.

On Monday,  4 June 2018,  5:39 pm +0200, Vojtěch šmiro
<vsmiro seznam cz> wrote:


Hello. Is it very bad news? Means it end of accessibility of linux
systems?

Thanks.

Best regards

Vojta.

José Vilmar Estácio de Souza napsal(a):

Hi.


Unless I am wrong, gnome projects including orca are hosted at
gitlab, not
github.


I also read that github was acquired by MS$.

Thanks.


On 06/04/2018 10:28 AM, Christopher Gilland wrote:

So, I just heard from a very reliable source in the blind
community who
actually directly works for the Microsoft Accessibility team, that
github is being acquired by Microsoft. Please tell me this is a
joke!
What will that do for devs like Joni etc. who need a centralized
place
to host their source code for things like Orca? Will we be much
effected, or is it to early on at this point to really know.

Chris.



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