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Re: [orca-list] Accessible distros

Ah, great, I never found this when I was looking earlier.
I noticed you have to select an edition, but I couldn't tell what editions we were choosing between. I know it wasn't home, pro or enterprise, and it also wasn't 32 or 64, so I just downloaded both of them, and I guess I'll figure it out when I try to install them.
Another reason I was trying to boot from a USB stick was because I have a USB stick I was able to find that already has NVDA on it, so I wouldn't need any sighted help with the install. I'm hoping that Narrator has progressed enough that I'll be able to install it on my own.
BTW, the problem I had with KVM/qemu and installing Windows from the USB sick is that you have to hit a key sequence in the client window to bring up the boot menu. Either I couldn't time hitting the key sequence right, or it just wasn't being passed through, but I couldn't get it to work, even with sighted help.
Again, thanks for this pointer. I'll add getting Windows working in a KVM/qemu virtual machine to the list of things I want to get done over the holidays. 


On 12/4/18 7:27 AM, Janina Sajka wrote:

Microsoft.com distributes Windows 10 via freely downloadable ISO images.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/SOFTWARE-DOWNLOAD/windows10ISO

You pay once you connect online after you finish installing it.

Best,

Janina


Orca screen reader developers writes:

I'm not doing as much with virtual machines now as I used to, but I had
trouble with VMware Player when I moved to Ubuntu 16.04, so I tried to
switch to KVM/qemu. It took some getting used to, but it all seems doable to
me. The biggest problem I had was installing a Windows virtual machine. I
couldn't get KVM/qemu to boot from a USB stick, and I couldn't get an ISO of
Windows. After a few days of Googling and research, I just put that project
on the shelf for a while. It seemed fine for creating various virtual
machines of anything I could get an ISO for though.


On 12/3/18 8:01 AM, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote:

Nick Wood writes:

Linux is far from perfect - and I hate how Fedora can just drop a new kernel
version into the regular software updates which can completely break VMWare
- but overall I am very happy with my setup.


I haven't run VMware on a Linux host in 20 years, but this sensitivity
to kernel versions was a most frustrating aspect of reliance on VMware then. So, it's disappointing
to hear that VMware still depends on particular Linux kernel versions.

Not only did VMware require a particular kernel version, but their
modules supporting newer kernel versions tended to trail kernel releases
by weeks, if not months. So, it was much worse than simply updating the
VMware software on a kernel upgrade--you had to watch and wait for a
VMware update release--and more money might be required, as VMware is
not floss.

I am contemplating going back to an environment using virtual machines,
but I'm not about to go with VMware again for these reasons.

So, since we're on the topic, let me simply ask: Why not KVM/qemu?

Or, if one must go commercial, Virtualbox?

Best,

Janina


Regards,

Nick

On 02/12/2018 16:49, Christopher Chaltain via orca-list wrote:

When we ran Linux and Windows at work, this was about 15 years ago, we
ran Windows at the host operating system and Linux in the virtual
machine. We found that Windows liked to assume it had exclusive use of
the hardware so it was more problematic getting it to run in a virtual
machine. Linux, on the other hand, seemed to run much better and with
fewer problems in the virtual machine.


Since then, for home use, I've run Linux on the bare metal and Windows
in a virtual machine, and I found this to be satisfactory. Of course, I
had to have the hardware resources to support this.


Bottom line is that I'd listen to Kyle.


On 12/2/18 8:42 AM, Kyle via orca-list wrote:

If you must run a VM, I would always recommend running Linux as the
host and running your work VM on top of Linux. The Linux host is far
more stable, and it's much easier to roll back a VM that goes wonky
than it is to have to reinstall your host OS and potentially lose
the VM in the process.

Regarding which distro to use, I think it's mostly personal
preference, as GNOME and MATE desktops are both quite accessible
using Orca. That said, I think Fedora Live Workstation is probably
your best bet, as you can just press alt_super_s to start Orca as
soon as the OS boots up. I no longer have an x86_64 machine to test
this, but the last time I did, the installer worked pretty well.
~Kyle
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