Re: [orca-list] Setting up Orca on ArchLinux

[Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>]

Is xorg its own group like gnome and gnome-extra are or are all xorg 
packages in some different group?

On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, Peter V?gner wrote:

> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 12:56:51
> From: Peter V?gner <pvdeejay gmail com>
> To: Jeanette C. <julien mail upb de>
> Cc: orca users' mailinglist <orca-list gnome org>
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Setting up Orca on ArchLinux
>
> Hello,
>
> It looks you now have mate running.
> I think I have a few comments in regard to your original question about
> gnome.
> There are multiple ways you can launch a desktop enviromment two most
> common are that you can use xinit (running startx) command and the other is
> to use display manager started manually while setting things up and started
> as a systemd service when you have got it setup to your liking.
> However even before figuring out how to start your desktop enviromment you
> might check if you have got installed all the packages usefull for running
> graphical desktop X.org and stuff...
> Since Mate is working for you and Gnome is not or you are not sure it might
> be that you might be lacking user space drivers for your graphic card. See
> Driver installation part of the XOrg article on the Arch wiki:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Driver_installation . If you have
> fairy recent onboard intel graphic, I think you have nothing to install as
> falling to kernel mode-setting driver is recommended. If you would like to
> read more on this, see Intel graphic article:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics I think you now should
> have xorg-server and xorg-xinit and your xf86-<something> driver if you do
> have other than intel based graphic card on your system.
> If you wish to start gnome via xinit then you can do the following
> $ cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~/.xinitrc
> Edit ~/.xinitrc removing default apps such as xterm, xclock, twm and
> similar tweaking the exec line to start gnome
> exec gnome-session
> Now when you run startx gnome will launch on the tty where you have run
> startx from. Once gnome is running you can press alt+super+s to start /
> stop orca.
> Another way is to start gnome by using its display manager gdm. Running
> systemctl start gdm as root or via sudo will start gdm and the greeter
> session showing login screen will be started on the first available tty.
> Once login screen is showing you can press alt+super+s to toggle orca. If
> it's not running super+alt+s will start it if it's running pressing
> super+alt+s will stop it. This is working the same way inn a greeter
> session and in a normal X / wayland session after logging in.
>
> Some additional pointers related to the discussion.
> There are two gnome related groups gnome and gnome-extra. Orca is in the
> gnome-extra group of packages. So If you have just ran
> # pacman -S gnome
> and you haven't installed orca in another step you might be missing it.
> Gnome includes pulseaudio as a hard dependency meaning it requires some
> extra effort when you would like to disable it. If you have used
> speech-dispatcher on the text only console over alsa or libao or whatever,
> you might like to reconfigure it to use pulseaudio when running gnome with
> pulseaudio and orca.
> On Arch linux since xorg 1.18 or so xorg-server is not running as root but
> as the logged in user when gnome is started via GDM instead. So to see its
> output you need to look into ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log.
>
> If you run spd-say on a text console it will spawn a copy of
> speech-dispatcher if none is running by the logged in user what will in
> turn spawn pulseaudio if speech-dispatcher is configured to output via
> pulseaudio. So if you are used to use different users for logging to pure
> text console and for graphical sessions don't run spd-say or any other app
> that might spawn pulseaudio before running gnome. I know this sounds
> complicated so if you are unsure please just ask more.
>
> Hopefully I haven't forgotten something very serious.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
>
> 2017-08-19 14:32 GMT+02:00 Jeanette C. <julien mail upb de>:
>
> > Hi Austin,
> > thanks for the tip. Mate works, as good as. Orca sometimes won't react. I
> > have used orca --replace a few times.
> >
> > Question: where can I best find a comprehensive list of Mate keyboard
> > shortcuts and other keyboard control elements? Inside Mate I do have
> > problems. Partly due to Orca's freezing and my ineptitude with Mate as such.
> >
> > Thanks again and best wishes,
> >
> > Jeanette
> >
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