Re: [orca-list] I'm getting real tired of apps run as root being inaccessible

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
Wonderful! I'll file a bug right now. So it's not that there's a bug so
much as things haven't been set up the right way. That can be fixed. Is
this similar for qt applications as well? The installer we will use from
now is qt5 based, and is completely accessible when run as the normal
user but not when run as root. Which modules are loaded? If I can get
that I can try creating a file in /etc/profile.d as a stop gap until the
bug can get fixed properly. Ditto for qt?
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Luke Yelavich wrote:
> Hi Kendell.
> On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 03:21:14PM AEST, kendell clark wrote:
> > hi all
> > The subject line pretty much says it all. I'm not writing in to rant but
> > I want to crush this bug once and for all. Since manjaro has removed the
> > old installer sonar used to use, we have to use their new installer,
> > called calamares. The devs have been fantastic and fixed all of the very
> > few accessibility bugs that app did have, except for one very annoying
> > bug. It's run as root so orca can't get at it.
> The way Qt handles working with at-spi is different to the way GTK works with at-spi, see below for more on 
> this. So I am surprised that this is an issue. Have you verified that the installer GUI is usable if you 
> start it from a normal user account? Yes it wouldn't be able to work properly, but surely the GUI would 
> work enough for you to check its accessibility.
>
> > I'm sick of this one
> > cropping up and getting in the way. It only seems to affect mate
> > desktop, even the gtk3 version. The only desktops that can somehow get
> > around this one are gnome and unity. How are they doing it so I can
> > either emulate it or have someone look at the code and port it over to
> > mate?
> It has to do with how the GTK modules are set up. Unity and GNOME have code 
> in their settings daemon plugins that configure things such that the GTK 
> modules are always loaded when an application loads, irrispective of the user 
> account they are run from. I am guessing mate still sets things up using the 
> GTK_MODULES environment variable, and I'd hazard a guess that under certain 
> circumstances, this variable is not set when a GTK based application is run 
> as root. The circumstances I refer to have to do with how one gains root 
> privileges to run the app. You can use sudo directly with the command, or you 
> can drop to a root shell then run the app using sudo -i. I think sudo 
> preserves more of the environment with sudo -i than it does when using sudo 
> directly, although using sudo -E should preserve the environment and 
> therefore pass through GTK_MODULES such that things work.
>
> Ultimately the best solution would be for the mate devs to examine GNOME's 
> settings daemon code and port the gtk-modules configuration code over to 
> mate-settings-daemon.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Luke
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