Re: [orca-list] sound through pulse audio running as root may soon be fixed

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

This message below confuses me, since it was Kendell who said "The 
reason I'm making such a big deal of this is because this has been an 
embarrassing issue for all of us Linux accessibility advocates being 
unable to fix an issue any windows user would immediately point out as a 
show stopper even if they had no idea what speakup was or what it did." 
I'm not sure why Kendell would write a strongly worded message in 
opposition to someone who was agreeing with him. I remembered Kendell's 
statement since I was going to say something, but I chose not to since 
Kyle's statement was so much better than anything I would have said. 
IMHO, I just don't think we should worry so much about what Windows 
users will think. Let's make Linux accessibility the best it can be 
regardless of the bar set by Windows.

On 09/05/16 17:46, kendell clark wrote:
> hi
> I have to agree with kyle. I was going to send a rather strongly worded
> message to this effect, but I'll settle for this. Windows hasn't had a
> text console since the windows 98 days, and when that was indeed the
> case microsoft made no effort to make such accessible. Users were
> expected to purchase, at considerable expense, access products like jaws
> for dos, asap, etc. If ms had a builtin screenreader, I can't remember
> if it first showed up in win 95 or 2000, it would only read the
> graphical interface, and even then only certain programs. Android might,
> I'm not sure, have a concept of a text console, but if so it's likely
> limited to terminal apps running inside android, which the builtin
> screen reader will read. IOS and OSX? Don't make me laugh. They have
> command line support, of course, but only through terminal, which is
> builtin to the mac and only runs from within osx. I think you might be
> able to get to single user mode in a mac, I'm not positive because I
> don't know nearly as much about mac as I do about linux, but voiceOver
> won't read it, of that I'm sure. This is most definitely a problem that
> should be fixed, but coming on hear and saying that windows users would
> look down on us for not being able to do it when they can't either isn't
> going to accomplish anything. Linux is not, and has never been perfect,
> and anyone who leads people to think otherwise is a fool. It has it's
> issues like any other OS, yes, including those vaunted windows and mac
> operating systems. If I ever lead anyone to think linux is perfect, than
> I've been a fool as well, I am not excluding myself. It's definitely
> possible, sometimes I get a bit overzealous in my preaching, lol.
>
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
>
>
> Kyle wrote:
> > ChromeOS, Android, iOS, MacOS and Windows users would find having
> > trouble running text only consoles at the same time as the graphical
> > desktop to be unacceptable? I'm sorry, but although this is indeed a
> > problem that needs fixing, the idea that users of other operating
> > systems that know nothing of a text only console find it an
> > unacceptable lack of accessibility in Linux when it doesn't work as
> > expected is simply preposterous at best. Please note that I didn't say
> > it isn't a problem for some, but it's nothing a Windows, MacOS,
> > ChromeOS Android or iOS user would even know about, let alone care
> > about. It's only system administrators and shell users who would even
> > know that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Of all these
> > other mentioned operating systems, ChromeOS is the only one I am aware
> > of that even has an available text only console, and it has no spoken
> > output whatsoever. So in attempting to identify the problem that needs
> > to be addressed, we should never resort to false or baseless claims
> > regarding the state of Linux accessibility or how users of other
> > operating systems would feel upon using a Linux desktop for the first
> > time.
> >
> > Sent from the new power generation
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