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Re: [orca-list] Changes/ finetuning for Progressbar Beeps

Of course it would be more work, but if having a 2nd scheme means that a significant number of users can take 
advntage of a feature that would otherwise be 
useless for them, or if not useless then much harder to use, athen a 2nd scheme would be worth it.
The ide of changing volume however seems like it would not work well for anyone in the real world, and even 
in special cases would not work for many 
people. 
This is of course just my opinion, and perhaps this sounds good to many of you. If so I'd suggest serious 
testing under varied conditions to see if what 
seems to be actually is. 
I suspect most will find it does not work so well in practice as they think it would.
  

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  Peter Vágner wrote:
Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 06:26:27PM +0200


Hello,

I don't like fading here.
Imagine you are also listening to music or performing a say all in another
app. You may easily lost track on what's going on.
With multiple audible schemes we are cluttering orca with unnecessary options.
More options means more burden for the developers and maintainers not
because of one time implementation related work but because of potentially
increased support requests flows related to the multiple configuration
possibilities.

Greetings

Peter



Dňa 29. júna 2016 18:20:12 používateľ Fernando Botelho
<Fernando Botelho F123 org> napísal:


Wow, interesting idea. Volume reduction to zero could be a nice option.


F



On 06/29/2016 12:10 PM, chrys87 web de wrote:

I think belling two beeps is too much beeping around XD.
The octave ting is not interesring to non musicals. I tested it
months ago with my girl. She didnt recogniced big differences.

I think more helpful is panning or an other idea is to bell alwas
the same Frequenzy that just get more quite. So you know how far the
beep is away from muting.

Am Mi. Juni 29 18:21:35 2016 GMT+0300 schrieb Janina Sajka:

At the risk of suddently sending far too many emails on this topic, let
me try my own answer out on you ...

I think he's saying, I know I'm saying ...

Speaking is a second class choice. There's a richer, less invasive
choice that will communicate intuitively even to people who can't
explain why it communicates intuitively.

It means mapping a seris of musical intervals to a set of defined
percentage complete settings, e.g.

An arbitrary set for purposes of elucidation ...

20% e-c
40% f-c
60% g-c
80% a-c
90% b-c
100% c-c

The letter pitches are not important. The relationship from the first to
second would clearly need to be provided as specific Hz values.

I feel I should attach an mp3 or something. Trust me, it works!

Janina


Joanmarie Diggs writes:

Hey Fernando.

I'm a little confused. Are you saying that instead of speaking progress
bar percentages via speech-dispatcher (which Orca has done for many
years), Orca should instead speak them via espeak? Or are you saying
that Orca isn't speaking progress bars? If the latter, and if you're
sure that you have that setting enabled and have selected an appropriate
interval and source (all, current app, current window), then that sounds
like a bug to me and I'd like specific steps to reproduce the problem.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 06/29/2016 09:46 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:

I remember hearing progress beeps on NVDA and also being pretty lost, as
i did not know how high they were supposed to go.

I wish both Orca and NVDA could give just a percentage via espeak, or if
beeping is a must, then alternate between current stage and final beep.

So if final beep were 400hz., then beep alternating 300hz 400hz, 310hz
400hz, 320hz 400hz, 330hz 400hz, and so forth.

Best,

Fernando


On 06/29/2016 10:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I’d like progress beeps that pan from left to right instead of using
pitch, because most of the time I don’t know exactly how high the
pitch goes.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
r d t prater gmail com




On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:

Hello,


I have looked at the issue you have linked to and I am somewhat
shocked that Nolan's patch has been put aside with somewhat
disrespectfull attitude.


To us non musicians or not very sensitive to individual tones it
might appear as something what may not be needed however I know some
people who might really benefit from having clean predictable like
implementation Nolan has suggested.


Can you Chrys and Joanie get back to that please and reconsider it?


Greetings


Peter




On 29.06.2016 at 11:55 chrys87 web de <mailto:chrys87 web de> wrote:

Hi Joanie, Hi List,
   I did some finetuning on the progressbar beeps caused by
userrequests.
You could find them attached on that ticket:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328>
   I made two changes:
1. make the beeps more short.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508>
   2. Ignore Interval for the beeps. That only make sense for Output
that needs "time to present". People like to activate both; Beeps
for an progess gues, the voice/ braile output for precise
information in big intervals.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509>
   What does others think about that here?
cheers chrys


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