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Re: [orca-list] Changes/ finetuning for Progressbar Beeps

4 octaves is too much, imo, if the sound is directed via the old PC
speaker.

3 is the max, imo.

It's pretty eash to test at a console:

setterm -bfreq 440

will give A in the octave beginning with middle C. 880 would give the
octave above, and 220 the octave below, and 110 the octave below that.

All other notes are decimal values in Hz.


B. Henry writes:

Who scolded you? I don't read every mail that comes to this list, but care about the topic in question and 
I do not remember such messages, if they were 
there then I say what is wrong with someone who complains about proposals, ideas, innovation, alternatives?
If some one did not like your idea, well they have the right and probably duty to say so, but if they 
complained because you suggested something and did 
the work to make it happen then they should be shot...lol
I must say that if you are saying you only use a one octave, or even two octave range for beeps from 0-100% 
then I think it should be expanded, 3 or 4 
octaves would be brtyter for me.
But even if I wind up not liking what you did, I thank you for doing it, just as I thank everyone who has 
worked on this.
I just received a suggestion to improve something I wrote last night. I may or may not do what was 
suggested, but I saw the logic in it. At the end of the 
day if people feel strongly enough that they prefer the "other way" than what ever is finally kept in orca 
then a patch can be made publicly available.
I just hope that folks decide to use which ever system I like best or I'm gonna stop using orca and go back 
to using a votrax with ms-basic on 5.25I 
floppies...lol
Regards
 

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  Nolan Darilek wrote:
Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 09:12:56AM -0500


   The patch I submitted addressed this directly by pegging the range between
   middle C and the octave above, making it fairly easy to know the ranges. I
   wish we could have implemented that rather than scolding me for
   contributing at the time, because that may address all of these concerns
   (including mine as the patch author.)

   On 06/29/2016 08:57 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

     I could see that working, but that’d be even more input to keep track
     of. Panning beeps could be an alternative, for headphone or stereo
     speaker owners, and alternate beeping could be fine for mono folks.
     Sent from my Mac.
     Devin Prater
     [1]r d t prater gmail com

       On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Fernando Botelho
       <[2]Fernando Botelho F123 org> wrote:
       I remember hearing progress beeps on NVDA and also being pretty lost,
       as i did not know how high they were supposed to go.

       I wish both Orca and NVDA could give just a percentage via espeak, or
       if beeping is a must, then alternate between current stage and final
       beep.

       So if final beep were 400hz., then beep alternating 300hz 400hz, 310hz
       400hz, 320hz 400hz, 330hz 400hz, and so forth.

       Best,

       Fernando

       On 06/29/2016 10:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

         I’d like progress beeps that pan from left to right instead of using
         pitch, because most of the time I don’t know exactly how high the
         pitch goes.
         Sent from my Mac.

         Devin Prater
         [3]r d t prater gmail com

           On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Peter Vágner [4]<pvdeejay gmail com>
           wrote:

           Hello,

           I have looked at the issue you have linked to and I am somewhat
           shocked that Nolan's patch has been put aside with somewhat
           disrespectfull attitude.

           To us non musicians or not very sensitive to individual tones it
           might appear as something what may not be needed however I know
           some people who might really benefit from having clean predictable
           like implementation Nolan has suggested.

           Can you Chrys and Joanie get back to that please and reconsider
           it?

           Greetings

           Peter

           On 29.06.2016 at 11:55 [5]chrys87 web de<[6]mailto:chrys87 web de>
           wrote:

             Hi Joanie, Hi List,
              I did some finetuning on the progressbar beeps caused by
             userrequests.
             You could find them attached on that ticket:
             
[7]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328<[8]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328>
              I made two changes:
             1. make the beeps more short.
             
[9]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508<[10]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508>
              2. Ignore Interval for the beeps. That only make sense for
             Output that needs "time to present". People like to activate
             both; Beeps for an progess gues, the voice/ braile output for
             precise information in big intervals.
             
[11]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509<[12]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509>
              What does others think about that here?
             cheers chrys

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