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Re: [orca-list] Changes/ finetuning for Progressbar Beeps

I don't think so in the real world, and while in theory we could have two distinct ways of presenting 
progress tonal alerts, I'd vote For Devin's panning 
before a volume change. 
Also as many blind people have hearing issues really low volume might just men nothing, so to ber heard you'd 
be blasting at the loud end of the bar. One 
range wold however start an octave higher or lower than the other. 
We can't play very low tones on ma lot of hardware sadly, 110 is the lowest, and that is iffy for many a 
laptop and low end speaker sets.
I know that a large percentage of folks with hearing impairment are limited to hearing certain frequencies, 
so this is why the pitch range option. 
Actually, for some folks 4 octaves would mean that one or both ends, p;robbly most likely the high end, would 
be out of range for their ears, so a more 
compact range might be a good alternative. 
How hard it would be to code say, a4 options for beeps I do not know, but ideally to be of most use we'd have 
two starting points and ftwo end points 
assuming 3 and 4 octave ranges and two starting points. 
I do not know if this would be enough of a difference to help folks with moderate hearing impairment or not 
however. 
Just brainstorming with insuficient stimulation...lol.

How about two pitch ranges, e.g. the who range of tones would be perhaps 4 octaves, i.e. one would get a half 
note change for each 2% of pprogress.


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  Fernando Botelho wrote:
Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 01:19:57PM -0300


Wow, interesting idea. Volume reduction to zero could be a nice option.


F



On 06/29/2016 12:10 PM, chrys87 web de wrote:

I think belling two beeps is too much beeping around XD.
The octave ting is not interesring to non musicals. I tested it months ago with my girl. She didnt 
recogniced big differences.

I think more helpful is panning or an other idea is to bell alwas the same Frequenzy that just get more 
quite. So you know how far the beep is away from muting.

Am Mi. Juni 29 18:21:35 2016 GMT+0300 schrieb Janina Sajka:

At the risk of suddently sending far too many emails on this topic, let
me try my own answer out on you ...

I think he's saying, I know I'm saying ...

Speaking is a second class choice. There's a richer, less invasive
choice that will communicate intuitively even to people who can't
explain why it communicates intuitively.

It means mapping a seris of musical intervals to a set of defined
percentage complete settings, e.g.

An arbitrary set for purposes of elucidation ...

20% e-c
40% f-c
60% g-c
80% a-c
90% b-c
100% c-c

The letter pitches are not important. The relationship from the first to
second would clearly need to be provided as specific Hz values.

I feel I should attach an mp3 or something. Trust me, it works!

Janina


Joanmarie Diggs writes:

Hey Fernando.

I'm a little confused. Are you saying that instead of speaking progress
bar percentages via speech-dispatcher (which Orca has done for many
years), Orca should instead speak them via espeak? Or are you saying
that Orca isn't speaking progress bars? If the latter, and if you're
sure that you have that setting enabled and have selected an appropriate
interval and source (all, current app, current window), then that sounds
like a bug to me and I'd like specific steps to reproduce the problem.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 06/29/2016 09:46 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:

I remember hearing progress beeps on NVDA and also being pretty lost, as
i did not know how high they were supposed to go.

I wish both Orca and NVDA could give just a percentage via espeak, or if
beeping is a must, then alternate between current stage and final beep.

So if final beep were 400hz., then beep alternating 300hz 400hz, 310hz
400hz, 320hz 400hz, 330hz 400hz, and so forth.

Best,

Fernando


On 06/29/2016 10:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I’d like progress beeps that pan from left to right instead of using
pitch, because most of the time I don’t know exactly how high the
pitch goes.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
r d t prater gmail com




On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:

Hello,


I have looked at the issue you have linked to and I am somewhat
shocked that Nolan's patch has been put aside with somewhat
disrespectfull attitude.


To us non musicians or not very sensitive to individual tones it
might appear as something what may not be needed however I know some
people who might really benefit from having clean predictable like
implementation Nolan has suggested.


Can you Chrys and Joanie get back to that please and reconsider it?


Greetings


Peter




On 29.06.2016 at 11:55 chrys87 web de <mailto:chrys87 web de> wrote:

Hi Joanie, Hi List,
   I did some finetuning on the progressbar beeps caused by
userrequests.
You could find them attached on that ticket:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328>
   I made two changes:
1. make the beeps more short.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508>
   2. Ignore Interval for the beeps. That only make sense for Output
that needs "time to present". People like to activate both; Beeps
for an progess gues, the voice/ braile output for precise
information in big intervals.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509
<https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509>
   What does others think about that here?
cheers chrys


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