Re: [orca-list] Changes/ finetuning for Progressbar Beeps

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

It's not about the individual sounds, it's about the frequency
relationship between two independent sounds.

The first you might consider a word, just a word. The second could be a
full sentence if you pick correctly. There are musicians here that can
specify how to pick, and will scream bloody murder if someone picks 200,
300, 400, for example. After this conversation, that should be
unthinkable.

Janina

Fernando Botelho writes:
> Sorry Joanie. i did not express myself clearly enough.
>
> I like percentages as they are, and having the beeping option is probably
> nice, but not at the cost of losing those percentages. So all is well with
> the way Orca speaks progress updates now; granted I should give it a try as
> I have not downloaded anyhthing in a while.
>
> But the focus  of my email was the fact that music terminology means nothing
> to the vast majority of people; so it would be nice to have aolternating
> beeps. It was just a suggestion.
>
> It would be nice if we all knew what C sounds like, but unfortunately this
> is not the case.
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On 06/29/2016 11:23 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Hey Fernando.
> >
> > I'm a little confused. Are you saying that instead of speaking progress
> > bar percentages via speech-dispatcher (which Orca has done for many
> > years), Orca should instead speak them via espeak? Or are you saying
> > that Orca isn't speaking progress bars? If the latter, and if you're
> > sure that you have that setting enabled and have selected an appropriate
> > interval and source (all, current app, current window), then that sounds
> > like a bug to me and I'd like specific steps to reproduce the problem.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --joanie
> >
> > On 06/29/2016 09:46 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > I remember hearing progress beeps on NVDA and also being pretty lost, as
> > > i did not know how high they were supposed to go.
> > >
> > > I wish both Orca and NVDA could give just a percentage via espeak, or if
> > > beeping is a must, then alternate between current stage and final beep.
> > >
> > > So if final beep were 400hz., then beep alternating 300hz 400hz, 310hz
> > > 400hz, 320hz 400hz, 330hz 400hz, and so forth.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Fernando
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/29/2016 10:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> > > > I’d like progress beeps that pan from left to right instead of using
> > > > pitch, because most of the time I don’t know exactly how high the
> > > > pitch goes.
> > > > Sent from my Mac.
> > > >
> > > > Devin Prater
> > > > r d t prater gmail com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have looked at the issue you have linked to and I am somewhat
> > > > > shocked that Nolan's patch has been put aside with somewhat
> > > > > disrespectfull attitude.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To us non musicians or not very sensitive to individual tones it
> > > > > might appear as something what may not be needed however I know some
> > > > > people who might really benefit from having clean predictable like
> > > > > implementation Nolan has suggested.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you Chrys and Joanie get back to that please and reconsider it?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29.06.2016 at 11:55 chrys87 web de <mailto:chrys87 web de> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Joanie, Hi List,
> > > > > >    I did some finetuning on the progressbar beeps caused by
> > > > > > userrequests.
> > > > > > You could find them attached on that ticket:
> > > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328
> > > > > > <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328>
> > > > > >    I made two changes:
> > > > > > 1. make the beeps more short.
> > > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508
> > > > > > <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508>
> > > > > >    2. Ignore Interval for the beeps. That only make sense for Output
> > > > > > that needs "time to present". People like to activate both; Beeps
> > > > > > for an progess gues, the voice/ braile output for precise
> > > > > > information in big intervals.
> > > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509
> > > > > > <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509>
> > > > > >    What does others think about that here?
> > > > > > cheers chrys
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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