Re: [orca-list] Changes/ finetuning for Progressbar Beeps

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

Actually, those of us with perfect pitch will really appreciate more
precise freqs, e.g. 440Hz, not 400.

There are charts available, e.g.
http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

Janina

Fernando Botelho writes:
> I am really not communicating terribly well today.
>
> I used 400 hertz as an example. Choose whatever frequency you like. My only
> suggestion was alternating, so  if you start with  C and go all the way to
> f, then one would go like this:
> c f, d f, e f, f f.
>
> Best,
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On 06/29/2016 11:43 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > For my patch, you don't necessarily need to know the musical notes, but
> > I think perceptually it's easier to grasp an octave range than it is to
> > grasp the current arbitrary way things are now. You can't just pick out
> > frequency numbers and scale things linearly between them, because a)
> > that's not how our perception of sound works and b) I'd venture that
> > fewer folks know what 4000 Hz sounds like vs. an octave, even if they
> > don't know what an octave is. I've heard NVDA's progress beeps hundreds
> > of times, but even so I still don't know what frequency they end on and
> > what that sounds like. Can't speak to Orca's anymore because I've forked
> > it with my patch applied.
> >
> >
> > On 06/29/2016 09:39 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > Sorry Joanie. i did not express myself clearly enough.
> > >
> > > I like percentages as they are, and having the beeping option is
> > > probably nice, but not at the cost of losing those percentages. So
> > > all is well with the way Orca speaks progress updates now; granted I
> > > should give it a try as I have not downloaded anyhthing in a while.
> > >
> > > But the focus  of my email was the fact that music terminology means
> > > nothing to the vast majority of people; so it would be nice to have
> > > aolternating beeps. It was just a suggestion.
> > >
> > > It would be nice if we all knew what C sounds like, but
> > > unfortunately this is not the case.
> > >
> > > Fernando
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/29/2016 11:23 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > Hey Fernando.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a little confused. Are you saying that instead of speaking progress
> > > > bar percentages via speech-dispatcher (which Orca has done for many
> > > > years), Orca should instead speak them via espeak? Or are you saying
> > > > that Orca isn't speaking progress bars? If the latter, and if you're
> > > > sure that you have that setting enabled and have selected an
> > > > appropriate
> > > > interval and source (all, current app, current window), then
> > > > that sounds
> > > > like a bug to me and I'd like specific steps to reproduce the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > --joanie
> > > >
> > > > On 06/29/2016 09:46 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > > > I remember hearing progress beeps on NVDA and also being
> > > > > pretty lost, as
> > > > > i did not know how high they were supposed to go.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish both Orca and NVDA could give just a percentage via
> > > > > espeak, or if
> > > > > beeping is a must, then alternate between current stage and
> > > > > final beep.
> > > > >
> > > > > So if final beep were 400hz., then beep alternating 300hz 400hz, 310hz
> > > > > 400hz, 320hz 400hz, 330hz 400hz, and so forth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > Fernando
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/29/2016 10:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> > > > > > I’d like progress beeps that pan from left to right instead of using
> > > > > > pitch, because most of the time I don’t know exactly how high the
> > > > > > pitch goes.
> > > > > > Sent from my Mac.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Devin Prater
> > > > > > r d t prater gmail com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Peter Vágner
> > > > > > > <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have looked at the issue you have linked to and I am somewhat
> > > > > > > shocked that Nolan's patch has been put aside with somewhat
> > > > > > > disrespectfull attitude.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To us non musicians or not very sensitive to individual tones it
> > > > > > > might appear as something what may not be needed however I know some
> > > > > > > people who might really benefit from having clean predictable like
> > > > > > > implementation Nolan has suggested.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you Chrys and Joanie get back to that please and reconsider it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 29.06.2016 at 11:55 chrys87 web de <mailto:chrys87 web de> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Joanie, Hi List,
> > > > > > > >    I did some finetuning on the progressbar beeps caused by
> > > > > > > > userrequests.
> > > > > > > > You could find them attached on that ticket:
> > > > > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328
> > > > > > > > <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328>
> > > > > > > >    I made two changes:
> > > > > > > > 1. make the beeps more short.
> > > > > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508
> > > > > > > > <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508>
> > > > > > > >    2. Ignore Interval for the beeps. That only
> > > > > > > > make sense for Output
> > > > > > > > that needs "time to present". People like to activate both; Beeps
> > > > > > > > for an progess gues, the voice/ braile output for precise
> > > > > > > > information in big intervals.
> > > > > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509
> > > > > > > > <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509>
> > > > > > > >    What does others think about that here?
> > > > > > > > cheers chrys
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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