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Re: [orca-list] orca can't talk in programs that run with root privileges

Nasty hack, but where it works put Kyle's suggestion in to a .deskitopfile as I used to put gksu in to my 
custom gparted .desktop file when polkit-exec 
stopped working.
You can run stuff in  terminalsthis way when needed of course.
 




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  kendell clark wrote:
Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 01:12:31AM -0500


hi
Pulse audio is certainly part of it. It's the thing preventing a person
from just starting orca as root to read the application. Pulse audio
runs as whichever user is logged in at the time. So if I were logged in
and mellisa were logged in, we'd each have our own copy of pulse audio
running at the same time separate from each other so she wouldn't hear
my sounds and vice versa. This is mostly an accessibility problem.
Something is preventing orca from getting at the app when it's run as
root. And if orca can't see something, it can't read it. Gksu no longer
works in gtk3, only gtk2. Which is why gnome shell had to solve the
problem. I don't know how they did it, but however they did it I want
mate and other desktops like it to be able to do it. It might be
acceptible to have to jump through a few hoops for us veteren linux
users, but the first time a new user has to do it the whining will
start. That's not fair, this is hard, why can't it be easier, etc etc
etc. And I can see their point. After all, what they were using didn't
have this problem. For the most part anyway. There are still cases where
windows and OSX can't get at apps running as the root equivalent. I'm an
OS developer for all intents and purposes, and so I have to make sure
our distribution is as easy to use as possible. Apps running as root are
a significant part of that. Without that, you can't do most
administrative tasks and you can't set some settings.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Majid Hussain wrote:

arr,
so you think it is a pulseaudio thing then?
which user does pulseaudio run by?
if it runns via root then it may give us the answer if not if it is
possable for it to run as root it may change something?
just speculating you understand?
to clarafye,
running via alsa not pulseaudio makes it that you are able to runn
programms as root with out any issues is this correct?
ore am I miss reading things yet again?

thanks,
Majid Hussain

On 13/07/2016, covici ccs covici com <covici ccs covici com> wrote:

I am not using pulse audio and what I do is log in as root from the gdm
screen.  I had to change a security setting to do this in
/etc/gdm/custom.conf if I remember correctly, but it  has worked for
me.  The vmware installer just asked for the root password and went off
to install its modules and was successful.

Hope this helps.

kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com> wrote:


hi
Not to complain, but this doesn't always work. Both kyle's and all of
your suggestions have been  very helpful. However, I'd like to simply be
able to launch an app menu item, EG gparted, enter in the password and
have it speak. Gnome shell somehow gets around this, but no other
desktop besides unity can make use of this. If you type gksu, and then
check the "preserve environment" check box it will work for that one
program, but not all programs work even when launched via gksu or sudo
-E. Calamares, the qt5 distro agnostic  installer, is one of them. The
reason I'm being so persistent about this is that I'm getting a lot of
pressure from the manjaro people to drop their old installer. This is a
good thing to do, because their old installer has a lot of bugs
including accessibility bugs that haven't been fixed. I'm going to, if
at all possible, switch over to calamares for the next version of sonar,
due out in either september or october. The manjaro people have asked me
whether launching orca as root would work, but while orca will start as
root, pulse audio then blocks it, so there's no sound. There has got to
be some way of fixing this. I don't mind telling everyone that I'm
growing tired of banging my head against this wall. New sonar users
email me to complain about this weekly. You can guess the comparisons I
get to other programs and operating systems, I'm not going to start an
OS war hear. Can anyone think of anything?
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Kyle wrote:

sudo -E <program> <arguments>
from a mate-terminal will do pretty much the same thing. e.g.
sudo -E pluma /etc/pacman.conf
I do this with pluma rather frequently when I want to edit system
files. Hope it helps.
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