Re: [orca-list] Firefox notifications, GNOME and Orca

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
I've just done some testing on mellisa's windows box since I don't have an installation of my own. I can visually see the notifications show up in both firefox and thunderbird, but nvda does not read them. The one thing NVDA does that orca doesn't seem to do is automatically read firefox alerts, such as "remember this password"? Alerts, although I don't know how they do it. Do they have specific code in their application script? It would be nice if orca did read them, but this isn't critical, at least I don't think so. I think notifications are more important, and this sounds more and more like something firefox devs need to fix. It's almost enough to make me want to switch to chromium, except that's inaccessible without chromevox, and I'm not getting off on that rant again lol.

Thanks
Kendell clark

On 01/29/2016 02:13 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:

Hello,

Sorry for this rant.
Mozilla a11y guys apparently have a full plate currently and can't really keep up with the rest of the Mozilla developments not to mention things outside Mozilla.
- Firefox Hello, not accessible by using the keyboard alone,
- Notifications not accessible by using the keyboard,
- New style modal dialogs not accessible by using the keyboard,
- Some new controls such ass Tools button in the addons manager are not accessible via keyboard
- Navigation with Firefox for Android since Firefox 43 is broken and is not yet addressed with Firefox 44 update.
- Copy and paste on the web is not possible with accessibility turned on within Firefox for android.
- Yeah and we are going to have developer tools more accessible eventually. It's a pity there are loads of user features lacking accessibility before touching this.

Newertheless still this is most accessible browser on the planet, so we appreciate what all the involved developers are doing for us. It's a pity the energy from some 5 years ago is lost now.

To install GNotifier you can do the following:
- Go to its mozilla addons page: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnotifier/
- Locate a link saying Add to Firefox and inwoke a context menu.
- Hit Save target as within the context menu and save the file wherever you like.
- Now go to the Tools -> Addons, you can also press ctrl+shift+a to bring up addons manager.
- Within addons manager locate a button saying something like Tools for all addons.
- Emulate a left mouse button click on this button.
- From the menu that shows up activate an item saying Install addon from zip archive.
- Locate the addon you have just saved in one of the steps before.
- Once you open its file in the open dialog, a dialogbox appears where you have to click on the Yes button to accept the installation. You will have to use flat review while handling this dialogbox.

Now we need to research another story. Notifications show up in the gnome notification area (super+m) however I don't know how to activate the notifications.

Greetings

Peter


Dňa 28.01.2016 o 20:23 kendell clark napísal(a):

hi
I don't know exactly what firefox is doing here, but they don't seem to be communicating with at-spi and atk. Actually, I don't think they use the native notification systems on linux, which is libnotify, but rather using their own, so orca can't see them. I'm not exactly sure how to fix this. We'd either need to add custom code to handle them or have firefox use libnotify. I don't see that happening quickly, if at all. I do know that on mellisa's windows box, they don't show up in the notification area either, which probably means they're using their own implementation.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 01/28/2016 11:53 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hi Nolan.

I just gave it a try. (I'm using Fedora with GNOME Shell 3.18.x).
Visually, the notification pops up in the general notification area
(spatially located beneath the clock in the top bar). However, it does
not appear to be actually getting added to GNOME Shell's notification list.

So I don't think it's faking out the accessibility API. And I don't know
why they are not persistent.

HTH.
--joanie

On 01/28/2016 12:01 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Kind of an odd question but I'm hoping for a pointer. I'm playing with
implementing Firefox's new push notifications into a web app that needs
to generate visible notifications on the desktop. Part of my testing
involves clicking on these notifications to trigger behaviors, examining
them to see if they're cleared correctly, etc.

Currently I'm poking the demo at https://serviceworke.rs/push-simple/.
This requires Firefox 44, just released yesterday. If I give Firefox
permission to show notifications, then click the button to send one, I
do hear GNOME speak the notification after 5 seconds or so. I can't find
the notification, though.

Specifically, when I ctrl-alt-tab to the topbar, then arrow to the clock
and press down-arrow, I can read a bunch of other notifications that
were spoken. Unfortunately, I can't find the one Firefox generated,
meaning I won't be able to click it or verify that it disappeared as
part of testing.

Just curious if Firefox's desktop notifications are somehow faking out
the accessibility API (I.e. generating an event signifying that they
appear, but not appearing in the traditional notification location, but
instead some Firefox-specific area that can't yet be tracked.) I suppose
there's also the possibility that they're not persistent, but in
studying the web notifications API spec I don't see a way to make a
notification temporary. There is a TTL parameter for pushes but this
seems to govern how long the notification remains on the server, and
setting it to some high value doesn't make the notification stick
around. There's also a Firefox addon that claims to send web
notifications to the GNOME notification area, which leads me to believe
that Firefox notifications are currently a separate thing.
Unfortunately, if I search for this addon via the Addon Manager then I
can't find it while I can on the web, and as I indicated last month, the
addon installation alert seems to be inaccessible when installing one
from a standard website.

Thanks for any help. Just trying to get a sense for what's going on
visually, since it doesn't map to what Orca speaks and what I'd expect
from said speech.
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