Re: [orca-list] Advice on clicking clickables in Firefox?

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Welcome back Nolan,

It's awesome to have one more clever guy onboard.

I don't have a proper reasoning why the Orca vs Firefox experience is 
different to that with NVDA vs Firefox on Windows, however I think I 
have at least understood how it works.
On Windows NVDA overrides enter keypress and alvais executes default 
MSAA or IA2 action on the current browse mode element or on an element 
in focus. It's why the clickables work because their only event handler 
is on click in most cases. The same is true for links and buttons 
because their default action is activate in most cases.
Orca does not trap enter keypress I think because without virtual 
document stuff it would be kind of difficult to work out whether to pass 
it to firefox or act accordingly. Hmmm. Or might be focus vs browse mode 
switch good enough for this? I am not sure. BTW you can switch from 
browse mode to focus mode and back with orca+a .

Greetings

Peter



On 08.01.2016 at 18:30 Nolan Darilek wrote:
> Nice, thanks, I'll remember that.
>
> Is there some reason that these can't just be triggered via enter 
> directly from Firefox? Great to have a way to do this, but it seems a 
> bit complex as a first method. Great for discoverability, but a bit 
> slow if you're actually on a clickable object but then have to find it 
> in a list.
>
> Also, is there any way to find these Firefox/Gecko-specific 
> keybindings? I remember them being added over time but don't recall 
> what they were, and I don't see them in either the global keybindings 
> tab or the one that appears when I pull up Firefox-specific 
> preferences (though maybe I skimmed too quickly and missed them.)
>
>
> On 01/08/2016 11:21 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
> > Howdy,
> > If you have the clickable in focus, it will be selected in the list, 
> > if not, you will have to scroll down to what you want to activate.
> > To get a list of clickables, press alt+shift+a and to activate it, 
> > either tab to the activate button and press enter, or press alt+a.
> > HTH
> > Storm
> > On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 10:20:27AM -0600, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > Switched back to Linux recently after a couple years on Windows and 
> > > NVDA. Please don't get the impression that this is a Windows/NVDA 
> > > fan post--I switched back to Linux because Windows itself irritated 
> > > me--but I'm hitting a few pain points that just aren't going away 
> > > using Orca after being away for nearly 2 years.
> > >
> > > Clicking clickable text in Firefox that isn't a link is one example, 
> > > and the most painful aspect of it is that I can't come up with a 
> > > reliable test case. I position the caret on the text to be clicked. 
> > > I then use the Route Pointer command (which I think by default is 
> > > something like caps-9 in laptop mode but which I've rebound to 
> > > caps-backspace) and then simulate 1-2 left-clicks.
> > >
> > > And here is where things diverge. Sometimes it works. Sometimes 
> > > nothing happens. Sometimes, despite the fact that I've pressed the 
> > > route command, clicking opens the overview panel, takes me to 
> > > another app or performs another action. I was trying to order food 
> > > on Grubhub last weekend and spent 15 minutes trying and failing to 
> > > click menu items before giving up with Linux for that task.
> > >
> > > I ultimately had to switch to Firefox running under NVDA in a 
> > > Windows VM. Under NVDA, pressing enter on a clickable item almost 
> > > always triggers a click on that item. While the Grubhub ordering 
> > > process wasn't the most accessible, I didn't experience this routing 
> > > issue at all when I could simply press enter to simulate a click.
> > >
> > > Is there some secret to accomplishing this? Ideally I could complain 
> > > to every website/app in which this behavior occurs and tell them 
> > > that clickables should be either links or buttons, but that would be 
> > > a full-time job, and pragmatic me just wants to get the task done. :)
> > >
> > > Also, is there some reason that pressing enter in Firefox can't 
> > > trigger a click under Orca? That to me seems like the most pragmatic 
> > > solution. I don't want Orca to be an NVDA clone but when one or the 
> > > other does something useful, I'd hope that the other might copy the 
> > > pattern. UX will of course differ between Linux and Windows but 
> > > conventions can cross over and be incredibly useful. The reason I 
> > > point this out is that I'd really like to shut down my Windows VM, 
> > > but as it stands it's running almost constantly so I can switch over 
> > > and use websites that I can't get working under Orca.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
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