Re: [orca-list] Advice on clicking clickables in Firefox?

[Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>]

Nice, thanks, I'll remember that.

Is there some reason that these can't just be triggered via enter 
directly from Firefox? Great to have a way to do this, but it seems a 
bit complex as a first method. Great for discoverability, but a bit slow 
if you're actually on a clickable object but then have to find it in a list.

Also, is there any way to find these Firefox/Gecko-specific keybindings? 
I remember them being added over time but don't recall what they were, 
and I don't see them in either the global keybindings tab or the one 
that appears when I pull up Firefox-specific preferences (though maybe I 
skimmed too quickly and missed them.)


On 01/08/2016 11:21 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
> Howdy,
> If you have the clickable in focus, it will be selected in the list, 
> if not, you will have to scroll down to what you want to activate.
> To get a list of clickables, press alt+shift+a and to activate it, 
> either tab to the activate button and press enter, or press alt+a.
> HTH
> Storm
> On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 10:20:27AM -0600, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > Switched back to Linux recently after a couple years on Windows and 
> > NVDA. Please don't get the impression that this is a Windows/NVDA fan 
> > post--I switched back to Linux because Windows itself irritated 
> > me--but I'm hitting a few pain points that just aren't going away 
> > using Orca after being away for nearly 2 years.
> >
> > Clicking clickable text in Firefox that isn't a link is one example, 
> > and the most painful aspect of it is that I can't come up with a 
> > reliable test case. I position the caret on the text to be clicked. I 
> > then use the Route Pointer command (which I think by default is 
> > something like caps-9 in laptop mode but which I've rebound to 
> > caps-backspace) and then simulate 1-2 left-clicks.
> >
> > And here is where things diverge. Sometimes it works. Sometimes 
> > nothing happens. Sometimes, despite the fact that I've pressed the 
> > route command, clicking opens the overview panel, takes me to another 
> > app or performs another action. I was trying to order food on Grubhub 
> > last weekend and spent 15 minutes trying and failing to click menu 
> > items before giving up with Linux for that task.
> >
> > I ultimately had to switch to Firefox running under NVDA in a Windows 
> > VM. Under NVDA, pressing enter on a clickable item almost always 
> > triggers a click on that item. While the Grubhub ordering process 
> > wasn't the most accessible, I didn't experience this routing issue at 
> > all when I could simply press enter to simulate a click.
> >
> > Is there some secret to accomplishing this? Ideally I could complain 
> > to every website/app in which this behavior occurs and tell them that 
> > clickables should be either links or buttons, but that would be a 
> > full-time job, and pragmatic me just wants to get the task done. :)
> >
> > Also, is there some reason that pressing enter in Firefox can't 
> > trigger a click under Orca? That to me seems like the most pragmatic 
> > solution. I don't want Orca to be an NVDA clone but when one or the 
> > other does something useful, I'd hope that the other might copy the 
> > pattern. UX will of course differ between Linux and Windows but 
> > conventions can cross over and be incredibly useful. The reason I 
> > point this out is that I'd really like to shut down my Windows VM, 
> > but as it stands it's running almost constantly so I can switch over 
> > and use websites that I can't get working under Orca.
> >
> > Thanks.
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