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Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Touch/phone

hi
Lol nah. I  hardly tried at all. A few times, then I gave up and sold
the phone. The main reason behind selling it wasn't taht I couldn't
figure out how to answer it, that was just the last straw. My main
reason was that in order to root it, I had to use windows to do it.
Could not find any way to do it in linux, and I'm not a windows person.
That, and the phone was running 4.0, when 4.2 had come out, but kyocera
showed no signs of releasing an update. If I were to get another phone,
which I'm considering, I'll make sure to learn how to use it. I have to
give google credit for keeping accessibility a priority, even if I'm not
entirely happy with how they use linux like a tool, something to use to
make your closed source stuff where the real money is made, but that's a
personal opinion, and not enough to turn me off of android altogether.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 09/23/2015 07:22 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not sure how to answer an Android phone, since I have a tablet, but
you should always Google or ask on a forum on how to do something. I
know you didn't say it couldn't be done, but you'd be surprised how many
times I hear people say I couldn't figure out how to ... so therefore it
can't be done. iPhones say slide to unlock, which you can do, but you
can slide anywhere or use a three finger swipe. To answer a call, you
don't have to double tap the answer button, you can just do a two finger
double tap. My point is that there are multiple ways of doing things,
and if you don't know ask before assuming it can't be done. Like I said,
this is a generic piece of advice.

I'm not sure what you said about IOS versus Android versus Windows Phone
accessibility, but again, I've see people with about the same level of
experience weigh in on the accessibility of these platforms, so everyone
needs to be careful what they take away from such generic statements and
should pay much more attention to people who have actual experience with
each platform and who are willing to give specific details. Not unlike
discussions we have on this list about which desktop is the most
accessible.

On 09/23/2015 07:08 AM, kendell clark wrote:

hi
I should probably point out that I wasn't intending to criticize IOS,
because I can't really do so. I've never used a mac or an apple anything
other than an old video iPod running rockbox. I did have one android
phone, a kyocera hydro, for something like 2 weeks, but I couldn't
figure out how to answer calls, lol. I literally couldn't figure it out.
It would say slide to answer, but by the time I found where to slide it
had gone to voicemail lol.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 09/23/2015 06:51 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

Windows Phone is another option. I haven't used one myself, but I know
blind people who are using them.

Whether you prefer one phone over the other depends a lot on what you'll
be doing with it. I tend to prefer my Android tablet over my iPhone for
most things, and the things that the iPhone is best at are those things
I don't tend to do much on my smart phone. The bugs in IOS 8 and now IOS
9 make it really challenging to use the iPhone as a phone.

I tend to ignore statements like one phone is better than the other or
more accessible. A lot of people base these statements on things they've
heard or their experience with older versions of Android. Just as I take
blanket statements I hear about Linux with a grain of salt, I do the
same thing with other platforms, and I look for more detailed reviews
where people talk about the versions of each OS they've tried and get
into details on what they've found with one platform over the other. Of
course, I also try to get first hand experience with a platform myself
before forming an opinion on it.

On 09/23/2015 04:41 AM, kendell clark wrote:

hi
I hate to burst your bubble, but afaik ubuntu is doing zero to make
their phone platform accessible. Android or IOS are really your only
options. Sad, but true as far as I know. This platform could be
accessible, but it takes the developers putting time and effort into
it,
and as we all know, that's hard to get someone who doesn't depend on
accessibility tech to understand. What? Blind people? Huh? I don't
understand. I'm not an IOS person, mostly because I refuse to buy into
the apple culture, and also because I can't afford the vast majority of
apple hardware. I've seen what apple fans are like and I don't really
want to be caught up in that. Android fans can be just as fanatical I
suppose, but I've never had an android phone for more than a few days.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 09/23/2015 04:27 AM, Dennis Westphal wrote:

iOS is in my opinion the most accessible plattform for mobile
devices. However Id love to use orca and Linux in general on a mobile
Phone or Tablet as well. I myself dont really like Android. However I
could really get behind using Ubuntu Phone and that way using Linux
exclusively

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 23.09.2015 um 11:22 schrieb Vincenzo Rubano
<vincenzo rubano studio unibo it>:

  From what I know, we’re really far from getting Orca running with
them. If I remember correctly, the problem should be that the a11y
infrastructure is not ready at all for handling touch screen events…

If you want to get an accessible touch screen device I would
recommend going with an iDevice. Sure, there’s some accessibility
support in Android devices as well, but I don’t think that it is as
good as the support that iOS provides… And this is my personal
opinion after having played a bit with both platforms and I do not
intend to open up a flame…


Vincenzo.


Il giorno 23 set 2015, alle ore 09:31, Milton
<milton duurzaamdigitaal org> ha scritto:

Me too would like to have such phone.
Milton

Op 23-09-15 om 09:15 schreef Dennis Westphal:

Hi guys,

I just was wondering if there is any intension to integrate orca
in Ubuntu phone. Or if it is even possible.
If it would be possible I'd like to get my hands on one of them.

Thanks
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