Re: [orca-list] should orca announce aria landmarks by default?

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I'm OK with this. Right now, I'm in the habit of using the h key as soon 
as a web page loaded to see if I'm going to be able to navigate by 
headings or not. I haven't gotten into the habit of checking for 
landmarks yet. I think a brief message announcing that there are 
landmarks, headings and maybe even tables on the page would be OK.

On 09/07/2015 04:20 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I'm inclined that simply announcing landmarks, especially as a default
> setting, is taking far less advantage of them than we might. In other
> words I believe landamarks are potentially far more powerful.
>
> Note that landmarks are a pre-defined set of roles judged to be common
> on pages. Here's a good page explaining ARIA landmarks:
> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2013/02/using-wai-aria-landmarks-2013/
>
> The point that landmarks indicate pre-defined regions of a page is, imo,
> a clue to the real power of landmarks. Because of that, I think the most
> important thing we Orca users might want to know is whether, or not
> there are ARIA landmarks in a page when we first load the page. I would
> think this could even be effective as a sound notification. Because,
> when you know there are ARIA landmarks, you know you can far more
> quickly get an overview of what the page offers. And, you can reliably
> get past structures you might often prefer to skip--like the nav links.
>
> Another way to put my argument is that having the landmarks read amidst
> all other verbose read outs is a waste, because we know in advance what
> the landmarks are when they're present. The point of landmarks is to be
> able to quickly get to those common structures. Were they already common
> on pages, this would be a no brainer, imo. But, even as they're still
> only present on a minority of pages, knowing when they're available, up
> front, as one of the first things you learn about a page is the way to
> really take advantage of them.
>
> My two cents American on ARIA landmarks. Very interested to hear other
> opinions.
>
> Janina
>
>
> kendell clark writes:
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> > hi all
> > I'm writing to get opinions on whether orca should announce aria
> > landmarks by default. Landmarks are usually used to split pages into
> > managable sections. For example, bookshare.org uses them extensively.
> > This should of course be configurable, in the "web" preferences area.
> > This might actually need to be said by default only if verbosity is
> > set to verbose, otherwise it will need to be toggled on manually,
> > since it can definitely be a little verbose. There's already support
> > for landmarks, press m to go to the next one, shift+m to go to the
> > previous one, and alt+shift+m to bring up a list of them. Thoughts?
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
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