Re: [orca-list] should orca announce aria landmarks by default?

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

I tend to think of headings first for sure, but the reality is that some web designers do use landmarks. 
For sure only in verbos mode would I want these to be announced. 
The idea of having fine grained controls so that one can highly customize ones verbosity is interesting. If 
it were a situation where if one selects 
verbos mode almost everything would be checked and announced, and in brief mode nothing checked, and then one 
could get to any state of verbosity 
inbetween using the finer grained controls makes sense to me. 
That kind of interface change could be positive in my opinion, and one could save a profile to meet certain 
needs, e.g. one for bookshare that might 
announce landmarks by default for some people...
I have used verbos mode so little I can't remember off the top of my head just all that is actually announced 
now that is notwhen one uses brief mode, 
just know that I usually find it distracting when I have used machines where it's turned on like after a 
fresh installation, or booting from a 
usb-stick.
 



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  Kyle wrote:
Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 06:46:35AM -0400

> I haven't extensively used this feature, so I can't exactly comment
> from experience. I do recall reading something about I think it's
> called 508 compliance, but I don't remember it saying anything about
> these landmarks, and in my limited testing of this feature, it seems
> most websites don't use them much if at all. Also, "landmark" just
> seems rather nondescript to me, which probably contributes to my lack
> of understanding of what they are used for and why I may need/want
> them. For landmarks, I usually use heading and link navigation as
> needed, as well as Orca's large object function. If I can have a better
> experience using landmarks instead, many website designers don't know
> it, and neither do I <smiles>.
>
> Regarding the verbosity, yes, it would probably increase greatly on
> websites where landmarks are used, and I may find myself somewhat
> surprised by the number of websites actually making use of them.
> However, increased verbosity in a screen reader is usually something to
> be avoided, especially if some more advanced users don't know the
> purpose of the extra wording.
>
> My thought is that users who already understand the purpose of
> landmarks know how to navigate between them, and probably only use them
> for navigating. Those users who don't use them currently will likely
> gain little to no benefit from hearing where they are in the body of
> text or other information on a page as they  try to read it, and if
> they begin to understand and use them, will likely only use them to
> make navigation easier. Hope this helps.
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