Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

Why do you say you'll need Voxin? I'm using Emacs with Emacspeak and eSpeak.

On 11/05/2015 08:58 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> Hi, Jann,
>
> I discovered a couple of years ago that the situation with IDE's was quite bleak in Linux when it came to 
> accessibility.  I tested a few of them and found them all inaccessible in the editor.  Code::blocks, 
> Codelite, Geany, even Gvim was not accessible.  Everybody seemed to use Gedit for their coding or Eclipse.  
> Now that Eclipse appears to be failing us, Gedit is going to have to be the answer unless you turn to old 
> faithful.  I mean Emacspeak.  There's a Java development environment you can install in Emacs and then you 
> will want the IBM viavoice tts Voxin which it calls Out Loud.  Have you considered switching to Emacs?
>
> Alex M
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jann Schneider [mailto:jann schneider googlemail com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 3:54 AM
> To: kendell clark
> Cc: Alex Midence; kk; orca-list
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse
>
> @Alex: yes really disapointing! SWT has been a good alternative when building Java UIs all the time but now 
> i'm not so sure ...
>
> @Kendell: fully agree!
>
> Also i cannot believe it's an issue with GTK3! Maybe someone could post a good example demonstrating that 
> GTK3 editors work as expected with orca? I'm not sure where GTK2 or GTK3 is used so i'm not sure what to use 
> as an example to add it to the bug.. But anyway it's not working with GTK2 anymore which is even worse.
>
> Yes i'm tired of these comments on issues telling me the linux user groups are to small or they don't have 
> the possibility or time or whatever to do some relayable tests on Linux, too. For example i made the offer to 
> oracle to test this JavaFX stuff on Gnome and we got started a little bit. But now they told me the same old 
> things as mentioned above... Maybe FX accessibility support will be worked on for Java 9.. Really 
> disapointing! And btw. really a big issue for my daily work, too.
>
> Regards Jann
>
>
> 2015-11-05 9:26 GMT+01:00, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>:
> > hi
> > Would commenting on the bug jan listed in his post not help? Or would
> > they simply reply with something like well windows is more popular so
> > we'll support that and get around to linux  eventually? Because I've
> > got to say, that attitude sucks and I'm tired of hearing it. What's
> > worse, the blind community at large seems to accept it, which I refuse to do.
> > All I want is for linux to be on equal footing with the other platforms.
> > Not special or preferential treatment, just equal. If you make
> > something for windows, you make it for linux at the same time. No
> > delays, no excuses. It's that simple.
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > On 11/05/2015 02:22 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> > > Sad to hear that something with such a rock solid reputation for
> > > great accessibility across all platforms seems to be going in the
> > > wrong direction in this regard now.
> > >
> > > Alex M
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of
> > > Jann Schneider
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:28 AM
> > > To: kk
> > > Cc: orca-list
> > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > @KK: reasons to use mars or better neon include:
> > > - better Java 8 support:
> > > -- Mars has more Java 8 support
> > > -- neon seems to support it completely
> > > -- Admitted, it's not very much that isn't working / compiling with
> > > luna but i'd like to use the full power of Java 8
> > > - Gradle support in eclipse:
> > > -- they just released buildship, a plugin adding gradle support to
> > > eclipse. But thats build using the Mars repositories and i believe
> > > you cannot get it properly working with luna
> > > - Well and as i'm developing eclipse plugins myselve i'd like to
> > > support the current version of eclipse of course. Currently i can do
> > > this by switching the repositories in my maven build but if they
> > > change some API i make use of i'll be lost :-)
> > >
> > > @All: unfortunately i don't know of any good, accessible alternative
> > > to
> > > eclipse: AFAIU netbeans and intellij are both build using JavaFX.
> > > And as we know, FX doesn't include any linux accessibility support at
> > > all (which is really disapointing!).
> > > So any hints and suggestions on that would be appreciated!
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > Jann
> > >
> > > 2015-11-02 12:24 GMT+01:00, kk <krmane gmail com>:
> > > > This is really sad.
> > > > Although I am still with Eclipse Luna, I think many may have some
> > > > features from Marse which they feel are important for their project
> > > > development.
> > > > Luna is much much better given that gtk2 still works with it.
> > > > Happy hacking.
> > > > Krishnakant.
> > > > K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 02 November 2015 01:27 PM, Jann Schneider wrote:
> > > > > Hi All!
> > > > >
> > > > > as a followup on the previous mails concerning eclipse mars: i've
> > > > > just tested the M1 package of it (4.5.1). Looks like the setting
> > > > > that forces GTK2 doesn't work anymore. Well, this was just a poor
> > > > > workaround that made Eclipse partly accessible but not as good as
> > > > > before, but anyway it doesn't work for me anymore.
> > > > > Could some of you please test it and report your experiences to the
> > > > > according bug {1} too?
> > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jann
> > > > >
> > > > > {1} https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031
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