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Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse

Hi, Jann,

I discovered a couple of years ago that the situation with IDE's was quite bleak in Linux when it came to 
accessibility.  I tested a few of them and found them all inaccessible in the editor.  Code::blocks, 
Codelite, Geany, even Gvim was not accessible.  Everybody seemed to use Gedit for their coding or Eclipse.  
Now that Eclipse appears to be failing us, Gedit is going to have to be the answer unless you turn to old 
faithful.  I mean Emacspeak.  There's a Java development environment you can install in Emacs and then you 
will want the IBM viavoice tts Voxin which it calls Out Loud.  Have you considered switching to Emacs?

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: Jann Schneider [mailto:jann schneider googlemail com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 3:54 AM
To: kendell clark
Cc: Alex Midence; kk; orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse

@Alex: yes really disapointing! SWT has been a good alternative when building Java UIs all the time but now 
i'm not so sure ...

@Kendell: fully agree!

Also i cannot believe it's an issue with GTK3! Maybe someone could post a good example demonstrating that 
GTK3 editors work as expected with orca? I'm not sure where GTK2 or GTK3 is used so i'm not sure what to use 
as an example to add it to the bug.. But anyway it's not working with GTK2 anymore which is even worse.

Yes i'm tired of these comments on issues telling me the linux user groups are to small or they don't have 
the possibility or time or whatever to do some relayable tests on Linux, too. For example i made the offer to 
oracle to test this JavaFX stuff on Gnome and we got started a little bit. But now they told me the same old 
things as mentioned above... Maybe FX accessibility support will be worked on for Java 9.. Really 
disapointing! And btw. really a big issue for my daily work, too.

Regards Jann


2015-11-05 9:26 GMT+01:00, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>:

hi
Would commenting on the bug jan listed in his post not help? Or would 
they simply reply with something like well windows is more popular so 
we'll support that and get around to linux  eventually? Because I've 
got to say, that attitude sucks and I'm tired of hearing it. What's 
worse, the blind community at large seems to accept it, which I refuse to do.
All I want is for linux to be on equal footing with the other platforms.
Not special or preferential treatment, just equal. If you make 
something for windows, you make it for linux at the same time. No 
delays, no excuses. It's that simple.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 11/05/2015 02:22 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

Sad to hear that something with such a rock solid reputation for 
great accessibility across all platforms seems to be going in the 
wrong direction in this regard now.

Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of 
Jann Schneider
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:28 AM
To: kk
Cc: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse

Hi,

@KK: reasons to use mars or better neon include:
- better Java 8 support:
-- Mars has more Java 8 support
-- neon seems to support it completely
-- Admitted, it's not very much that isn't working / compiling with 
luna but i'd like to use the full power of Java 8
- Gradle support in eclipse:
-- they just released buildship, a plugin adding gradle support to 
eclipse. But thats build using the Mars repositories and i believe 
you cannot get it properly working with luna
- Well and as i'm developing eclipse plugins myselve i'd like to 
support the current version of eclipse of course. Currently i can do 
this by switching the repositories in my maven build but if they 
change some API i make use of i'll be lost :-)

@All: unfortunately i don't know of any good, accessible alternative 
to
eclipse: AFAIU netbeans and intellij are both build using JavaFX.
And as we know, FX doesn't include any linux accessibility support at 
all (which is really disapointing!).
So any hints and suggestions on that would be appreciated!

All the best
Jann

2015-11-02 12:24 GMT+01:00, kk <krmane gmail com>:

This is really sad.
Although I am still with Eclipse Luna, I think many may have some 
features from Marse which they feel are important for their project 
development.
Luna is much much better given that gtk2 still works with it.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
K


On Monday 02 November 2015 01:27 PM, Jann Schneider wrote:

Hi All!

as a followup on the previous mails concerning eclipse mars: i've 
just tested the M1 package of it (4.5.1). Looks like the setting 
that forces GTK2 doesn't work anymore. Well, this was just a poor 
workaround that made Eclipse partly accessible but not as good as 
before, but anyway it doesn't work for me anymore.
Could some of you please test it and report your experiences to the 
according bug {1} too?
Thanks in advance.

Jann

{1} https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031
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