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Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse

Not sure why you're jumping to such a conclusion without even giving the developers a chance to respond.
I'm blind, and I want Linux to be on the same footing as Windows, but it's a business fact that in some spaces applications have more market penetration on another platform then they do on Linux. It would be a pretty bad business decision to ignore market share and not take into account how many customers are impacted by a certain bug. This doesn't mean I like it, but I'm not going to ignore such a fact either. Knowing information like this will help us understand why some applications may not have the features or accessibility in Linux then they do on other platforms, and let's us know that it isn't just an accessibility issue but a market penetration issue. Just because I acknowledge a business reality doesn't mean I like it or I'm not trying to change it.
Also, don't assume that just because I and maybe a few others don't agree with your rants that the blind community as a whole is accepting it. I don't speak for the blindness community as a whole but just myself.
If I can, your statement to me seems analogous to saying that I shouldn't release an app for Android unless I'm also going to release it for IOS, Windows Phone, Blackberry and so on. Where does it stop? I guess the applications that are just developed for Linux should either support Windows, OSX and other platforms or go away if the development team doesn't have the resources to support every platform under the sun. 



On 11/05/2015 02:26 AM, kendell clark wrote:

hi
Would commenting on the bug jan listed in his post not help? Or would
they simply reply with something like well windows is more popular so
we'll support that and get around to linux  eventually? Because I've got
to say, that attitude sucks and I'm tired of hearing it. What's worse,
the blind community at large seems to accept it, which I refuse to do.
All I want is for linux to be on equal footing with the other platforms.
Not special or preferential treatment, just equal. If you make something
for windows, you make it for linux at the same time. No delays, no
excuses. It's that simple.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 11/05/2015 02:22 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

Sad to hear that something with such a rock solid reputation for great accessibility across all platforms 
seems to be going in the wrong direction in this regard now.

Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Jann Schneider
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:28 AM
To: kk
Cc: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Eclipse is getting even worse

Hi,

@KK: reasons to use mars or better neon include:
- better Java 8 support:
-- Mars has more Java 8 support
-- neon seems to support it completely
-- Admitted, it's not very much that isn't working / compiling with luna but i'd like to use the full power 
of Java 8
- Gradle support in eclipse:
-- they just released buildship, a plugin adding gradle support to eclipse. But thats build using the Mars 
repositories and i believe you cannot get it properly working with luna
- Well and as i'm developing eclipse plugins myselve i'd like to support the current version of eclipse of 
course. Currently i can do this by switching the repositories in my maven build but if they change some API i 
make use of i'll be lost :-)

@All: unfortunately i don't know of any good, accessible alternative to eclipse: AFAIU netbeans and intellij 
are both build using JavaFX.
And as we know, FX doesn't include any linux accessibility support at all (which is really disapointing!).
So any hints and suggestions on that would be appreciated!

All the best
Jann

2015-11-02 12:24 GMT+01:00, kk <krmane gmail com>:

This is really sad.
Although I am still with Eclipse Luna, I think many may have some
features from Marse which they feel are important for their project
development.
Luna is much much better given that gtk2 still works with it.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
K


On Monday 02 November 2015 01:27 PM, Jann Schneider wrote:

Hi All!

as a followup on the previous mails concerning eclipse mars: i've
just tested the M1 package of it (4.5.1). Looks like the setting that
forces GTK2 doesn't work anymore. Well, this was just a poor
workaround that made Eclipse partly accessible but not as good as
before, but anyway it doesn't work for me anymore.
Could some of you please test it and report your experiences to the
according bug {1} too?
Thanks in advance.

Jann

{1} https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031
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