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Re: [orca-list] playing videos in ubuntu


why 5 years or any amount of years for that mater?
Are we going for jungle law?
May be I have a great idea and as coincidence had it, there was another person who had the same idea. If I have the "money " power or other similar powers and influance, I will certainly get the patents I want through all official or unofficial tactics. 
Then I will start restricting and exployting the world as much as I can.
The other person who had the same idea around the same time will suffer, just because I claimed and acquired the rights saying "this idea is only mine and belongs to me for certain time ". This is a restriction of flow of knowledge and as good as making knowledge proprietary. 
What about the mand kind at large and what about the community?
yes, I agree all laws are not good and many are ment for protecting the rich, no matter if we say "law is equal for every one ". 
This is way too off topic but good we had a healthy talk on this.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Friday 27 February 2015 09:50 PM, Alex Midence wrote:it

I think a saner approach would be to limit patents to five years or something like that.  I forget how long 
they last right now in the U.S.  Five years ought to be enough for someone to get a nice head start with 
their idea and harvest the fruits of the flowering of their intellect without slowing innovation since the 
idea will be up for grabs in a short enough period of time to build upon it quickly.

My two cents, ... for what it's worth,
Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:07 AM
To: Christopher Chaltain; Josh K; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing videos in ubuntu

The quality or desirability of so-called intellectual property is a separate matter from deciding when to break a law 
because this is the least of evils.  I've written to Josh privately on the second.  As for the first, we probably 
should abolish the legal right to monopolize or restrict the travel of ideas, even if one result is to slow the pace of 
"innovation."

I know I've aided and abetted being off-topic.  I'll stop.

Al

On 2/27/2015 8:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

Ah, well I'm glad I live in a country where following the laws isn't
optional and just anyone with a biased or misinformed view can't hide
behind the fact that they think a law is ridiculous. I don't agree
with every law on the books, and I've worked to change laws I don't
agree with, but I don't assume it's my right to pick and choose the
laws I'll follow. I don't think the laws around intellectual property
are as black and white as you think, and I'd be shocked if you
actually have a plan to get us from the current state of intellectual
property and digital rights management laws to that utopia you must
think would exist if they were to just suddenly go away.

On 02/27/2015 05:51 AM, Josh K wrote:

I will follow the laws to a point. but there is such a thing as
rediculous laws that go overboard. and when the laws get rediculous
and go overboard, taking away my rights, or trying to, then sorry I
can no longer follow them. By rediculous I mean all the restrictions
in proprietary license agreements, dvd encryption and so on. I do not
mean laws meant to keep people safe such as no speeding on highways
and so on those laws are reasonable. Even some software not many but
some software licenses are reasonable, but sadly most are not most
are so convoluted and rediculous if I choose not to follow them I
don't feel guilty or bad at all. dvd encryption is one. restrictive
drm on both software and media is another.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 2/26/2015 9:10 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I assume it's because some people want to actually follow the law as
opposed to knowing they just won't get caught breaking it.

On 02/26/2015 04:38 PM, Josh K wrote:

why do you have to check laws in your area? do computers have
detectors so when you use illegal software your computer phones the
police and they show up at your door to arrest you for using illegal stuff? no.
you
can use libdvd without worries i think.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 2/26/2015 5:32 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

This may be of help with libdvdcss. Please make sure to check the
laws in your area though:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of
Luke Yelavich
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:22 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing videos in ubuntu

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 05:41:51AM AEDT, Michael Weaver wrote:

The main problem I am having with Ubuntu seems to be using video
codecs to play classic DVDs.

For watching dvds, you should only need vlc, and libdvdcss. I am
not going to outline how to to get libdvdcss because many
juristictions have laws against such encryption breaking
technologies, dvd playback should not require
ubuntu-restricted-extras, at least not if you are using vlc.

Luke
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