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Re: [orca-list] playing videos in ubuntu

I think a saner approach would be to limit patents to five years or something like that.  I forget how long 
they last right now in the U.S.  Five years ought to be enough for someone to get a nice head start with 
their idea and harvest the fruits of the flowering of their intellect without slowing innovation since the 
idea will be up for grabs in a short enough period of time to build upon it quickly.  

My two cents, ... for what it's worth,
Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:07 AM
To: Christopher Chaltain; Josh K; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing videos in ubuntu

The quality or desirability of so-called intellectual property is a separate matter from deciding when to 
break a law because this is the least of evils.  I've written to Josh privately on the second.  As for the 
first, we probably should abolish the legal right to monopolize or restrict the travel of ideas, even if one 
result is to slow the pace of "innovation."

I know I've aided and abetted being off-topic.  I'll stop.

Al

On 2/27/2015 8:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

Ah, well I'm glad I live in a country where following the laws isn't 
optional and just anyone with a biased or misinformed view can't hide 
behind the fact that they think a law is ridiculous. I don't agree 
with every law on the books, and I've worked to change laws I don't 
agree with, but I don't assume it's my right to pick and choose the 
laws I'll follow. I don't think the laws around intellectual property 
are as black and white as you think, and I'd be shocked if you 
actually have a plan to get us from the current state of intellectual 
property and digital rights management laws to that utopia you must 
think would exist if they were to just suddenly go away.

On 02/27/2015 05:51 AM, Josh K wrote:

I will follow the laws to a point. but there is such a thing as 
rediculous laws that go overboard. and when the laws get rediculous 
and go overboard, taking away my rights, or trying to, then sorry I 
can no longer follow them. By rediculous I mean all the restrictions 
in proprietary license agreements, dvd encryption and so on. I do not 
mean laws meant to keep people safe such as no speeding on highways 
and so on those laws are reasonable. Even some software not many but 
some software licenses are reasonable, but sadly most are not most 
are so convoluted and rediculous if I choose not to follow them I 
don't feel guilty or bad at all. dvd encryption is one. restrictive 
drm on both software and media is another.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 2/26/2015 9:10 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I assume it's because some people want to actually follow the law as 
opposed to knowing they just won't get caught breaking it.

On 02/26/2015 04:38 PM, Josh K wrote:

why do you have to check laws in your area? do computers have 
detectors so when you use illegal software your computer phones the 
police and they show up at your door to arrest you for using illegal stuff? no.
you
can use libdvd without worries i think.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 2/26/2015 5:32 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

This may be of help with libdvdcss. Please make sure to check the 
laws in your area though:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of 
Luke Yelavich
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:22 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing videos in ubuntu

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 05:41:51AM AEDT, Michael Weaver wrote:

The main problem I am having with Ubuntu seems to be using video 
codecs to play classic DVDs.

For watching dvds, you should only need vlc, and libdvdcss. I am 
not going to outline how to to get libdvdcss because many 
juristictions have laws against such encryption breaking 
technologies, dvd playback should not require 
ubuntu-restricted-extras, at least not if you are using vlc.

Luke
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