Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux

[Don Raikes <DON RAIKES ORACLE COM>]

Zahari,

Thanks for all the input.

My desktop system is a dell xps8700 with 16gb ram and an 8 core processor, I think.

I am going to be running some network monitoring software in the background on the Linux hohst environment 
but that should still leave me with at least 12gb for vms and if I am smart about it I won't run too many vms 
at once :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Zahari Yurukov [mailto:zahari yurukov gmail com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 5:01 AM
To: Orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux

Hi,
Cracks? Is that what we call licensing this days, grin.
Folks, don't use stolen sotware - either pay for it or use free and open source software. NVDA is a perfect 
screen reader for a Windows enviroment and you don't need anything else (several years NVDA user and several 
years JAWS user before that, now several years Orca user here).

On topic: I don't use virtual machines any more, but when I did, I used exclusivly VirtualBox. It's pritty 
accessible and even that there are a few inaccessible parts, you can edit the configuration file and/or use 
the command line access to workaround that (and that in case you need some very complex configuration).
One disadvantage  of VirtualBox is that you can't assign greater than 256MB video RAM to the virtual machine. 
That is the minimum requirement for all Windows versions since Vista, so you'll experiance a certain lag.

However, your idea of running headless virtual machine and accessing it via remote desktop intrigues me. I've 
done that, but on Windows Server 2008, and Debian 7 was the guest OS - somewhat the oposit. However, I'm sure 
it's possible under linux, too.
For remote client you can use Remmina. I've used that to connect to the Windows Server 2008 mentioned above 
from my Vinux desktop. It's pritty accessible, except some parts of the initial session creation.
So what's intriguing here is the fact, that the visualization will happen on the Linux side, not in the 
virtual machine. That means the 256MB video RAM limit won't have any matter.
Please, when you do this, compair the performance when interacting with the virtual machine itself and via 
remote desktop, and drop us a few lines.

Oh, and depending what programs you'd like to run at the same time on the both machines, you may need a lot 
of RAM. 4GB is not enough at all - 8GB is a minimum. whitch reminds me, that may be it won't be bad if you 
tell us the parameters of the machine, so people with similar configurations could suggest you what would be 
the performance when running Debian and a Windows virtual machine inside it.


Best wishes,
Zahari

On 12/17/2015 12:46 PM, Rob Whyte wrote:
> Hey Don,
> yes Vmware is very accessible, of course remember alt f6 to get to 
> those dialogues that don't always show.
> I have successfully used various Windows VM's and JAWS with no 
> problems including cracks.
> Whom ever told you otherwise they are wrong.
>
> Good luck
> Rob
>
>
> On 17/12/15 13:28, Don Raikes wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >  
> >
> > I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian 
> > for a variety of reasons.
> >
> > My problem is that I do need to have a windows system available, so I 
> > was considering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux host.
> >
> >  
> >
> > I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very 
> > usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read 
> > recently that virtualbox on Linux is quite accessible.
> >
> >  
> >
> > So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs 
> > virtualbox?
> >
> >  
> >
> > My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the 
> > windows guest vm since I believe that jaws cannot  be licensed in a vm.
> >
> >  
> >
> > My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I 
> > could access my windows guest vm using  the gnome remote desktop/ 
> > desktop sharing application?
> >
> >  
> >
> > Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >  
> >
> > Donald
> >
> >
> >
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