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Re: [orca-list] Orca silent

Hi,
I failed to explain myself tremendously this time - by the "speech often
stops in Firefox", I ment during say all, for example, on that page:
http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/25/researchers-may-have-found-a-cancer-cells-off-switch/

Go to the first heading and execute say all - the reading stops after
the author's name - this doesn't happen with speech-dispatcher.
Interestingly, when I move a few lines back and execute "Say all", it
gets passed this point. I have similar situations on other pages, but I
think it's not the same issue, when you have to Alt-Tab to another
window and get back to continue reading - which for me isn't fixed too.

Otherwise, Orca hangs-up on me much rarely with the new AT-SPI, and with
Orca 3.16 and after I think it manages to recover in much more
situations, though I don't have the patience to wait for it, if it takes
more than 10 seconds and I also do "orca --replace".

Best wishes,
Zahari

На 27.08.2015 в 23:00, Peter Vágner написа:

Hello,

Thanks for your encouraging words.

I feel I do have bussy times in the office this week. So I haven't dared
to experiment further with direct eSpeak support for orca since I have
fixed those little nits on monday morning. Hopefully I'll be able to
improve it later.

However in relation to loosing speech with orca I think those rare
crashes we are occassionally getting while loading huge pages in Firefox
I'm suspecting these might actually be at-spi2-core crashes.
I haven't yet attempted to discuss this in a public place as I don't
know how to debug this but this is what I am seeing:
When loading a huge page in Firefox occassionally CPU activity spikes,
my laptop fann starts spinning, I can hear no speech output. In this
situation I can open terminal, verify I am getting the sound by pressing
left and right arrow keys. Then I can run
orca --replace
which in turn starts at-spi2-core if it is not running. And voila, the
speech returns back.
This is just my pure assumption because I am unable to prove it. But it
helps me to recover from lost speech output situation quite often.

Greetings

Peter

On 27.08.2015 at 21:31 Zahari Yurukov wrote:

Hi,
Yeah, I found one more bug - the speech often stops in Firefox,
perticulary after some links, which doesn't happen with
speech-dispatcher.
But this case is another point in favour of a build-in ESpeak driver in
Orca - you have speech-dispatcher, but it doesn't work for some reason -
what would you do?
Use speakup? Using another screen reader to restore speech in Orca,
really? You may not even have a working speakup, if at all.
Using SSH from another machine? Even worst How many people have several
machines in their disposal - I don't.
Crying for help? Sorry, I prefer to be independent, and that's one of
the reasons I use Linux those days.

So the solution is easy - having drivers for several speech systems,
picking the first that works and switching to another driver whenever
the current one fails.
Thank you Peter for working on this - don't give up.

Best wishes,
Zahari

На 27.08.2015 в 10:36, Peter Vágner написа:

Hello,
Direct eSpeak support for orca has some performance issues, I don't
think that is viable for day to day use.
In order to fix your locale issues, you might like to try regenerating
the locale data.

In your favorite text editor open a file
/etc/locale.gen
If it's missing then try to reinstall glibc
sudo pacman -S glibc
If this does not work, then try to update your system.
If it still does not work try
sudo pacman -Sy glibc
Finally if you have got the file
/etc/locale.gen
showing in your text editor of choice uncoming the locales you wish to
generate respective data for. I suggest uncommenting the line
#en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
If you need other locales you can also uncomment them e.g.
#en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
Once uncommented save the file and run the following command in your
terminal
locale-gen

Now try to repeat tests with speech-dispatcher as suggested by Storm
earlier.

If it does not work, then we need to work out if you are using
pulseaudio or alsa and try to diagnose what's going on here.
Recently we had a conversation on getting kali linux to play sounds with
Don Raikes. I think I have tried to explain a lot of alsa vs pulseaudio
stuff in there. You may like to check that discussion.

If it still does not work for you after doing and checking all this
please ask, we'll try to come up with more possible solutions.

Greetings

Peter

On 27.08.2015 at 04:03 Storm Dragon wrote:

Hi,
I haven't seen that particular error with speech-dispatcher before. If
it is vital that you get Orca up and running before any other solution
can be found, you could try installing the orca version with built in
espeak support. If you would like to do so:
git clone https://github.com/pvagner/orca
cd orca
./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var
make
sudo make install
I'm not sure how to pick espeak from the list without having speech,
maybe Peter can help out with that. If there is a way to do it that
is. Maybe when the direct espeak code gets added, it will be included
in the orca -t options so it will be possible to select it from the
CLI. Sorry I can't do any better than this, but maybe it will be
enough to get you up and running.
HTH
Storm
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:48:33PM -0400, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:

Hi, Storm, and thanks for the suggestions.  I'm sorry to say that
trying either spd-say "hello" or the command speech-dispatcher
gives me

setlocale: No such file or directory

I installed speech-dispatcher-git and got the same thing.  (I had to
use this Windows machine to get the link." I think there's a man page
for setlocale, but I couldn't figure out what it had to do with
speech-dispatcher.  I certainly couldn't figure out how any relevant
file or directory by that name got removed or where it's supposed
to be.

Anybody have any ideas?

Al

On 8/26/2015 7:46 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

Howdy,
Did you try:
spd-say "hello"
Does it speak?
If not, try:
killall -9g speech-dispatcher && speech-dispatcher
then repeat the above step again:
spd-say "hello"
If that still doesn't speak, try upgrading to speech-dispatcher from
git
available in the AUR. Hopefully, when the espeak code gets added,
loss
of speech will become much more rare.
HTH
Storm
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 06:40:40PM -0400, Al Sten-Clanton wrote:

Greetings!

I didn't use my Linux machine for a few days.  Today, I find that
Orca
doesn't speak.  It is running, according to the ps command. Sound is
fine, as shown by using Firefox to get to an online radio
station.  I
have used versions 3.17.90pre, 3.16.2, and 3.17.91pre, and have
rebooted for each.  The super-alt-s keystroke has alternately
shown me
that it was running and that it was not.  I have also tried Orca-s
several times.  It seems, therefore, that everything I've used is
working except Orca's speech output.

I'm using Arch.  I ran an update today, after finding this
problem.  I
think I did one last week, but don't recall whether I used Orca
afterwards or simply shut down, so can't say for sure that that
update
didn't somehow cause the problem.

I'll be grateful for any help.

Al
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orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp




_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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