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Re: [orca-list] dealing with gnome-shell on new system

I have had trouble running PA on some hardware over the last several months, but not in a regular manner that 
could be predicted. The only solution I 
found was to remove the user's pulse directory from  ~/.config and reboot. On one machine I set up for a 
friend of a friend this happened so regularly 
that I made a script to replace the pulse directory with a backup of aworking configuration that had the 
sound adjusted to the user's liking. This was 
the only machine where  things muted so often, everything was muted and did not respond to media keys  nor 
alsamixer dommands to be clear. 
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  Don Raikes wrote:
Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 05:05:38PM -0700


Peter,

Thanks, the pactl commands did the trick once I remembered to enable the speaker in my vm :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vágner [mailto:pvdeejay gmail com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:23 PM
To: Don Raikes; Alex Midence; kendell clark
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] dealing with gnome-shell on new system

Hello,
Are you running pulseaudio or have you removed or prevented it from starting for a good reason?
Can you hear beeps through your sound card as you navigate to the start / end of a line in gnome terminal? 
i.e. after starting gnome terminal do multiple presses of the left and down arrow key cause that beeping 
sound to play?
Are you running this on desktop or on a laptop? Does this have multimedia keys so you can try just 
increasing sound volume if it has been inadvertently muted or is currently being set into a verry low level 
to be audible?
Can you just try using espeak through the gnome terminal e.g.
espeak hello

This are some questions from the top of my head to be able to decide what to do next. If you are using 
pulse audio then most likelly your sound is just muted. If you have no way to turn it up using the 
multimedia keys, you might try from the terminal Do you have multiple sound devices? If not then the 
following commands might be helpfull. You can even do this remotelly via SSH pactl set-sink-mute 0 0 pactl 
set-sink-volume 0 60%

If this does not work then you can see list of devices pulseaudio is seeing pacmd list-sinks | more They 
are indexed and you can replace the device index in the commands above where I have put 0 so if you are 
about to unmute pulseaudio sink numbered 1 you would instead do pactl set-sink-mute 1 0

If you are running with pulseaudio disabled or stopped then you need to tweak speech-dispatcher 
configuration not to use pulseaudio but to use alsa instead.
I have always been doing this by manually editing a file /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
In this file there is a line like this
# AudioOutputMethod "pulse"
You would need to change this into
AudioOutputMethod "alsa"

There is also utility app to change the configuration of speech-dispatcher called spd-conf however I have 
never use that.
One more hint. If espeak hello inside a gnome terminal works and you do know you are not running pulseaudio 
then you are sure you need to change speech-dispatcher output module configuration to alsa. This is because 
by default espeak either uses pulseaudio or alsa depending on what's available.

Greetings

Peter

On 12.08.2015 at 07:46 Don Raikes wrote:

So running spd-say hello gives me nothing  no sound no error messages nothing.
I did this from within a gnome-terminal.

So how do  I go about debugging speech-dispatcher?
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vágner [mailto:pvdeejay gmail com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:01 PM
To: Alex Midence; kendell clark
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] dealing with gnome-shell on new system

Hello,
Just little note to add. I think correct command to diagnose 
speech-dispatcher is spd-say hello

Greetings

Peter

On 12.08.2015 at 02:47 Alex Midence wrote:

Sounds like a problem with speech dispatcher. Orca appears to be running. Since you're getting braille 
feedback Type control alt T. And type -say ' Hello' .if you do not get any sound, then you have 
identified  your problem and need to troubleshoot speech dispatcher.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 11, 2015, at 7:25 PM, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com> wrote:

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hi
Gnome shell 3.14 is definitely usable with orca. What you might have 
to do is to turn the desktop icons back on in gnome tweak tool. For 
some reason they're off by default. I don't know whether kali linux 
has a mate version, and if not you'll have to install the mate 
desktop from teh kali repos. After this is done just select the mate 
session in gdm and you're good to go.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Don Raikes wrote:

Hello,

I just installed the latest version of kali linux (debian 
derrative). When I boot into the system, I have a couple of 
problems.

1. I am getting no sound out of orca. I am getting Braille feedback 
but no speech.

2.Unfortunately kali is using the new gnome-shell which seems to be 
almost impossible to use with orca.

Is there an easy way to deal with this gnome-shell desktop?

Gnome-shell 3.14.2-3

Gnome-orca 3.14.0

Is switching to mate a viable alternative, and how difficult is it 
to get everything working in mate?

-- Sincerely, Donald

Oracle <http://www.oracle.com/> Donald Raikes | Accessibility 
Specialist / Security Penetration Tester

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_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at 
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at 
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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