Re: [orca-list] Orca now has preliminary support for object mode / non-layout mode. Yes. Really.

[Al Sten-Clanton <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>]

"* What should Orca do when there is punctuation and whitespace in
  between two links? Are those three "lines" or just two?"

I'm inclined to think of it as three lines rather than two:  if the 
space or punctuation is there, presumably we should be told about it. 
At least, that's my understanding of what you're asking.

Al



On 09/11/2014 09:36 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> As a number of you have been requesting, I have just added preliminary
> support for object mode, AKA not-layout mode, AKA behave as if links and
> other objects were not on the same line even though they really are
> mode. <smiles>
>
> By "preliminary" I mean that it still needs polish, for instance, not
> treating a checkbox and its label as if they were on separate lines. (Or
> do you want those kept separate?) I also have questions like:
>
> * What should Orca do when there is punctuation and whitespace in
>    between two links? Are those three "lines" or just two?
>
> * What should happen when you use structural navigation to move to a
>    list item which consists of a number and a link? Technically the
>    link is separate, but you also didn't down arrow; you pressed i.
>
> Etc., etc., etc. But I figure that you can just try it with your
> favorite sites and we can all discuss here what behaviors you'd like to
> see changed.
>
> The other thing it needs, I assume, are a GUI means to set it and
> perhaps a keyboard command to toggle it. Because of the various freezes
> GNOME is in, I cannot add those to the gnome-3-14 branch without
> blessing from the localization team -- and in the case of a GUI option I
> also need the release team to approve it. Note that this is not a
> temporary situation: The configuration and command cannot go into GNOME
> 3.14 ever unless I get permission. I can of course add them to master
> and will. But first:
>
> 1. Do we need both a GUI option and a command to toggle it, or just
>     one or the other?
>
> 2. If we need a command to toggle it, any suggestions for the bindings?
>     Orca+L for Layout or Orca+O for object would be great -- and are
>     available in Desktop Layout. But then Laptop Layout would need a
>     different command. Suggestions very much welcome.
>
> 3. Tell me honestly how important it is for the command and/or GUI
>     option to ship as part of 3.14? Would it be sufficient if this is
>     settable via orca-customizations.py for 3.14 and then all sorts of
>     user-friendly-configurable in 3.16? The reason I ask is that I try
>     really, really, really hard to not burden the localization team.
>     Asking for a freeze break and for them to do additional work this
>     close to the release strikes me as a burden. Plus even if I ask,
>     they might still say "no."
>
> Lastly, about how to try it in the meantime: Add the following lines to
> your orca-customizations.py:
>
> import orca.settings
> orca.settings.layoutMode = False
>
> As always, thanks in advance for your testing of this new support! In
> the meantime, I'll keep working on the Great Orca Rewrite. <smiles>
>
> --joanie
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