Re: [orca-list] Part of the solution to the clickable spam

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

My personal prefference would be to have this as a seperate option from verbos/brief, i.'e include the 
announcement in 
verbos as you have done, but have the announcement of clickables switchable so that it could be turned on for 
those of us 
who use the brief setting with out the whole verbos announcement set. That way it could be turned off if 
needed, but 
generally left on. 
I'll have to listen to the delay to see if it would be something I'd always notice with orca speech set to 
brief as is my 
custom. 
For many sites there'd be no issue, but when one is not familiar with a site, i.e. one doesn't know if there 
are 
clickables it might be an issue. 
I suppose one can be listening for and easily able to notice 
pauses, will just have to try some.
Yes, I knew that at least in the past VOA let you click on any word for a deffinition, but I never tried it, 
and do not 
remember hearing this before. That they could be tooltips never occured to me, and as I have announce 
tooltips turned off 
I'dnot  have heard this anyway, but I assume they are not announced as tooltips anyway from the way the post 
quoted below 
is worded; will check anyway.
Thanks so much for keeping us upp to date with the state of things. 
Back to git!
Regardsg, 
--
B.H.



On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:02:43PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> As part of the solution to the clickable spam, I have made the following
> changes to Orca:
>
> * Clickables are only announced at the verbose level of speech
>   verbosity. This change has no impact on navigation or activation.
>   Just on whether or not Orca says "clickable." This change has been
>   committed to both master and the gnome-1-14 branch.
>
> * There is now a command to toggle speech verbosity levels on the fly.
>   The shortcut is Orca+V. This should solve a good portion of the
>   annoyance. This change has only been committed to master so far
>   because we are in string freeze. The only way I can commit it to
>   the stable branch is if I get two approvals from the release team
>   and two approvals from the localization team. I have just made the
>   requests. And I am pretty sure my request will be granted.
>
> I will still remove bogus clickables which should help further. No, this
> is not done yet. But I'm pretty sure there are such things as bogus
> clickables which Orca is failing to identify. The thing is.... The stuff
> on the Voice of America site is not bogus. Those words are indeed
> clickable. And when you click on them a thing that looks like a tooltip
> pops up and gives you the definition. Orca's not presenting that
> definition which is, of course, a problem and one I will look into. But
> these things do not constitute bogus clickables; they are a feature of
> the site.
>
> The other issue at the moment is that on sites such as the Voice of
> America learn English site, with verbosity level set to brief, there are
> still pauses between each clickable word. This is because each clickable
> word is a separate accessible as a result of being clickable. I still
> need to give this some thought. On the one hand, on sites other than
> Voice of America, this pause makes it possible to identify the presence
> of clickables without having to hear the word "clickable." That,
> arguably, is a feature; not a bug. On the Voice of America site,
> however, it is wicked annoying. What I'm thinking I'll do is collapse
> clickables. So if there's a line with five words in a row that is
> clickable, group those five words together as a single utterance. That
> would reduce the pauses significantly without completely eliminating
> them. But I'm open to other ideas.
>
> Take care.
> --joanie
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