Re: [orca-list] clickables not working for me on a site

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

OK, this was another case of fluxbox not recognizing an orca keyboard command. 
Switching to mate got things working as I'd thought they should, and as they did for you and others. 
It's not that any one keybinding does or does not work in fluxbox as far as I can tell as the couple or three 
times Itried rebinding some command to 
other keystrokes things did not work if they did not work with the originial default keybinding. 
I need to go through the list and see just which ones do and do not work and see if there's any pattern I've 
not yet noticed. 
All I can say for sure as many orca specific keyboard commands do not work. 
Sorry for not thinnking of this before sending the original email. I'm just so used to using fluxbox for most 
things that I forget it does still have 
some serious issues, at least for me. 
I don't know why at least some of the keybindings/commands seem to work fine for some other fluxbox users and 
not here. 
I hope to be able to sort this out as my goal is to make an accessible fluxbox meta-package, package group 
whatever a given distro's package management 
system calls it that a novice Linux user can install and just start using as for underpowered machines this 
gives a good experience where even something 
like mate  is not quite so nice. Most everything has a fix or work around except for this. 
I know you are busy and this will be at best a low priority for now anyway, but if you or anyone can think of 
a tree to bark up, please let me know. 
Not only is fluxbox great where system resources are limited, but it makes it pretty easy to take best 
advantage of limited screen realestate such as on 
netbooks which could be especially useful for low-vission users, and is good for anyone who looks at the 
screen/I've gotten good feedback from my 
sighted students who I have tried fluxbox on for sometime now.
And not announcing that somoething has been expanded matters little to me personally, although of course it'd 
be nice, and probably is more important to 
some others, especially those new to orca or screenreaders in general.
Regards, 
--

B.H.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:44:31PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey Burt.
>
> On 10/17/2014 12:05 PM, Burt Henry wrote:
> > I can use structural nav key strokes to move through the clickable
> > expand items on the consumercellular faq page, but can't get them to
> > expand.
>
> I just gave it a try. What I'm seeing is that they do expand, but Orca's
> not presenting anything to tell you of the expansion. Solving that might
> need to be a combination of an Orca fix with a Gecko fix and/or an
> authoring fix.
>
> In a nutshell: I'm not seeing an accessible state which would tell Orca
> that the item in question is expandable. The reason Orca speaks that it
> is expandable is due to the textual description. When you expand or
> collapse the clickable item, there is no accessible state-changed event
> to inform Orca of that change (which is not surprising since the state
> isn't there in the first place). That's why Orca doesn't say "expanded"
> or "collapsed" after you click. After you click, there are
> children-changed and text-changed events, but all sorts of things can
> cause those, so a heuristic would be pretty fragile. (Okay, make that
> "in a coconut shell.")
>
> Anyhoo, I'll look further into that. In the meantime, aside from
> notification of the expansion, the content itself is accessible: After
> you've moved to one of the expandable clickables via structural
> navigation and clicked on it by using Orca's flat review click, Down
> Arrow. You should find new items there -- or old elements gone in the
> case of collapsing one that had been expanded. Please give it a try and
> let me know if it works for you.
>
> Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> > https://www.consumercellular.com/Support/Knowledgebase
> > Can someone else try and let me know if I'm doing something wrong, or if
> > indeed there's no way to get these items to expand with orca. I have not
> > tried with 3.14/have a two day old release from master installed.
> > Thanks
> > --
> >
> >
> > -- 
> >     
> > B.H.
> >
> >
> >
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