Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

Of course it should be tested on different systems, including different GUIs, but pretty much any standard 
user space app that works on gnome-shell will 
work on mate, and that should go for XFCE, Unity and my ultra-lightweight darling, Fluxbox. 
Arch does make it easy to get a git project in to an easily installable package, so that's a good place  for 
a dev to get fast testing feedback. 
This needs to be be made available in other installable package formats, at least .debs, and hopefully rpm 
and such would come along also as there's 
really no  alternative out there it seems.

     
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:09:27AM -0200, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> Hello Sanskriti,
>
> Thank you for this generous offer and congratulations on Project Mudra. That
> is precisely the kind of initiative the global South needs.
>
> I have a few suggestions to get things started. If you agree with them I can
> include the resulting software in F123, which automatically will also make
> it easy to include on Sonar, etc.
>
> * Please check and see if the software we will use as a base for this
> initiative supports having its interface in multiple languages. I suspect
> this is an obvious yes, but one never knows.
>
> * Please check that the proposed software will work both on the latest and
> greatest Gnome Shell but also on Mate and LXDE. Others can suggest one or
> two other GUIs.
>
> * We need an easy way for non-technical people to install the book reading
> software and test things, so they can give you and the other developers
> feedback. In other words, develop a script that automates the download and
> installation process. As soon as you have that ready, I will include it for
> any F123 user to be able to test it.
>
> * We need a place where we can discuss the development. I suggest the F123
> list. You can subscribe writing to:
> f123english-subscribe yahoogroups com
>
> * We need a Github location where we can place the code so it can be worked
> on for later integration in the original project. I would like to suggest
> github.com/F123 as the location, but if you already have another place in
> mind, just let us all know what it is. However, if you accept the above
> suggestion, please send me your Github username so I may add you.
>
> I hope the above is helpful.
>
> Fernando
>
> On 11/18/2014 05:52 AM, Sanskriti Dawle wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Sanskriti Dawle. I'm a 3rd year CS undergrad at BITS Pilani Goa
> > Campus, Goa, India, and a cofounder of Project Mudra (http://
> > <http://projectmudra.com>projectmudra.com <http://projectmudra.com>), an
> > open source Braille teaching device built on the Raspberry Pi. Currently,
> > I'm also a FOSS OPW (http:// <http://gnome.org/opw>gnome.org
> > <http://gnome.org/opw>/ <http://gnome.org/opw>opw <http://gnome.org/opw>)
> > intern at GNOME.
> >
> > I've been following the conversation on orca-list for a while now, and I'd
> > love to offer any help that I can to implement extended support in
> > canteoir. I have a working knowledge of C++, and I'm willing to learn
> > anything that's required. I've been a lurker on orca-list for quite a
> > while now, but never really figured out how I could start contributing to
> > software used by blind linux users - and this seems like a good place to
> > start. Also, if it requires more people I can organize a group, we have a
> > fairly large opensource enthusiast community here at BITS Goa.
> >
> > So if we could define the requirements and deliverables here, I'd be happy
> > to get started. Needless to say, there will be no issue of payment
> > whatsoever. It's a learning experience for me too!
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sanskriti
> >
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> > only way I could possibly think of doing something like this is
> > something like a kickstartter campagne, but this is OT to this list
> > completely, so I'll not say anything else here. If someone wants to
> > email me off list and i'll try to figure out how. I've never done one
> > before.
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > On 11/17/2014 02:25 PM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > Wow, there goes my hope of something affordabel and quick.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Fernando
> > >
> > > On 11/17/2014 06:23 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> > >
> > > according to the email he just sent me, he wants something like
> > > 5000 bucks to implement it. He also wants 1500 bucks to implement
> > > the book list and all that goes with it. Of course, none of us can
> > > add this ourselves, he says something about getting a group to
> > > contract him. I'm not holding out much hope at the moment Thanks
> > > Kendell clark
> > >
> > > On 11/17/2014 06:28 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > > > > Does anyone know if this book reading software have interface
> > > > > > in multiple languages?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, how much of an investment are we talking about to get
> > > > > > it to read Daisy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 07:27 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hi My idea of a book list is one where you can select a
> > > > > > directory where your books are kept, and the program will go
> > > > > > through and get the books available in that folder by
> > > > > > analyzing the books xml data. This would work equally for
> > > > > > epub as well as daisy books. It might display something like
> > > > > > the following. books list view. book title 1: current
> > > > > > position: wherever you left off. Etc. Thanks Kendell clark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 03:14 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello, The project is open source however developer is
> > > > > > > > > looking for some funding so he can do his best in order
> > > > > > > > > to implement it. E.G. see here for bookmarks related
> > > > > > > > > issue...
> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/rhdunn/cainteoir-gtk/issues/6 What
> > > > > > > > > is a book list as you are describing it? Ability to
> > > > > > > > > open recently viewed books is already there and also
> > > > > > > > > ability to see the list of chapters. Reading can be
> > > > > > > > > started from any point from that list.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is really awesome piece of software, it's well
> > > > > > > > > written continually maintained and the developer is
> > > > > > > > > cooperative, really an expert, considers accessibility
> > > > > > > > > and all other stuff we might have imagined.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another his big reference is eSpeak for android.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 09:10 kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hi Nods, just sent out an email to the developer. If
> > > > > > > > > he'll add daisy support,a nd possibly at some point
> > > > > > > > > later bookmarking support and book lists, we'll have
> > > > > > > > > ourselves a daisy reader that can read other formats
> > > > > > > > > too. Thanks Kendell clark On 11/17/2014 02:06 AM, Peter
> > > > > > > > > V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Well gtk UI for cainteoir is not as
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature rich as we would wish however I have to
> > > > > > > > > > > > add another positive comments it is accessible.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Even content is rendered into a read only edit
> > > > > > > > > > > > field for some simple proof reading.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 06:27 Willem van der Walt
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is cainteoir which now supports epub3
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with media overlays. The player, however is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not feature-ritch at the moment.  If someone is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > good at writing c++, that player could be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > expanded to be quite good. The cainteoir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > library supports reading a number of formats.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Android, there is a player called menestrelo
> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is good for reading epub3. HTH, Willem
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That???s too bad about epub readers. I think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these other solutions involving conversions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and kludging around with other formats just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ruins the epub experience. I really like the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct navigation features found in Apple???s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > iBooks applications on all their devices. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder if evince can deal with PDF books
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though. Has anyone had a chance to try this?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many times, books are released in PDF as an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > alternative to epub but still include much of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the navigations normally available in epub.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My biggest complaint with converting stuff to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > plain text or whatever is you lose all that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich navigation that comes with hyper text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > publications. Even HTML books navigate OK but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can???t place bookmarks throughout the text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a web browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dhairyashil
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhosale <dhairyashil bhosale584 gmail com
> > <mailto:dhairyashil bhosale584 gmail com>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI, As you mentioned about e-book reader,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readers are widely used on Linux platform
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I am also looking some other e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader that will support all type of e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format and will accessible with Orca. So I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have some information regarding to your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the tools available to read
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are available for Linux and Android
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > platform. but FBReader and CoolReader have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited support for e-book format, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calibre support all type of e-book format
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Calibre is open source for Linux
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > platform but not for Android. Lucidor is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also used for reading e-books but its have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accessibility issues (if any) with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-  The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not accessible to orca. I used these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader with Orca but Orca is not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to read these e-book readers. But
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lucidor e-book reader is accessible with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > orca screen reader, but it have some issue
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while reading e-books.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navigation related issues with e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- while using these e-book reader they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have limited navigation feature, if we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > press mouce-scroll button for zoom-in then
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it will not work as page number wise. so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these e-book readers have limited
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigation facilities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, Dhairyashil
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.  Queries regarding e-book readers for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visually Impaired (Leena Chourey)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:18:49
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +0530 From: Leena Chourey
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <leenagour gmail com <mailto:leenagour gmail com>> To:
> > Orca-list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org
> > <mailto:gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evince-list gnome org <mailto:evince-list gnome org>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poppler lists freedesktop org
> > <mailto:poppler lists freedesktop org> Subject:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readers for Visually Impaired Message-ID:
> > <CAD-S5bOtwATLYwtoKXruHG=XknecYOREuicH3aLaHmx1_rSwrQ mail gmail com
> > <mailto:XknecYOREuicH3aLaHmx1_rSwrQ mail gmail com>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While exploring about the e-book reading
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > facility for Visually Impaired, I found
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that various formats like epub, pdf are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > availble. Various readers like FBReader,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coolreader, Caliber people use. Please help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find answer for my queries about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - What are the tools available to read
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books? - Is it require to have specific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readers to read e-books? - Widely used
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book readers working on Linux & Android
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > platform and with screen reader like Orca -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accessibility issues (if any) with e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader - Navigation related issues with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leena
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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