Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

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hi
I'll second this. If he cannot get someone to fund it, I think a
couple of people on this list are looking into connections to get that
done, then we can start one next month. That sounds far off, but
someone else other than me can start it if they want, and I can
contribute next month. I'm on reserves at the moment, every penny
counts, so I won't get any money until next month
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 11/18/2014 01:50 PM, Kelly Prescott wrote:
> First off, that rate doesn't sound too bad. Yes, DAISY is a lot of
> xml etc, but if it were that easy, then everyone on this list could
> write it and we would not be discussing how to get it done. I like
> the idea of a kickstarter funding for it. $50 per user and we would
> only need 100 users to fund it. There ain't no such thing as a free
> lunch! Open source does not necessarily mean free as in cost,
> rather it means freedom to change/modify/improve etc. I would be
> willing to contribute my $50.00 for this, so how about it? If there
> is enough interest, we could probably get it done.
>
> -- Kelly Prescott
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, B. Henry wrote:
>
> > I do not  care all that much about daisy, and $5k is too much I
> > feel for this honestly, but I may have a connection or two I can
> > bring on board. I'd like to see a better price though as this
> > does not seem like something that difficult to a good coder on
> > the surface. Perhaps I am totally off base but daisy is just css
> > xml and other common formats, and as the target consumer of daisy
> > is poorer than the average bear I'd say a bit of consideration on
> > the dev's part may be in order. That's 100hours at $50 an hour. 
> > I've never made $50 an hour for anything legal, and doubt most of
> > you are payed this well. For those weak in math, we are talking
> > over $100,000 a year using 40 hour work weeks. Most lions do not
> > make so much either although many of course make much more I
> > reckon. I'd rather find a student who really needs tto make a
> > buck and let them learn, pay some books and meals and such if I'm
> > going to consider 5k. Again, not out of my pocket, even if I were
> > a rich dude I'd think twice about financing this, but enough of
> > the hypothetical bull. Love you guys, and if a lot of folks think
> > this is important I will start talking to the couple of contacts
> > I have on the off chance that this can come about, but I'd try
> > and get a much better price before moving and my heart probably
> > would not be in it for 5k. --
> >
> > B.H.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:36:00PM -0600, Alex Midence wrote:
> > > This is the sort of thing that Lions clubs and other
> > > charitable organizations can contribute to. Does anyone have
> > > connections with such organizations? Does anyone have
> > > experience in grant  letter writing?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Fernando Botelho 
> > > > <Fernando Botelho F123 org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow, there goes my hope of something affordabel and quick.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Fernando
> > > >
> > > > > On 11/17/2014 06:23 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>
> according to the email he just sent me, he wants something like
> 5000 bucks to implement it. He also wants 1500 bucks to implement
> the book list and all that goes with it. Of course, none of us can
> add this ourselves, he says something about getting a group to
> contract him. I'm not holding out much hope at the moment Thanks 
> Kendell clark
>
> > > > > > > On 11/17/2014 06:28 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote: Does
> > > > > > > anyone know if this book reading software have
> > > > > > > interface in multiple languages?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, how much of an investment are we talking about to
> > > > > > > get it to read Daisy?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/17/2014 07:27 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hi My idea of a book list is one where you can select a
> > > > > > > directory where your books are kept, and the program
> > > > > > > will go through and get the books available in that
> > > > > > > folder by analyzing the books xml data. This would work
> > > > > > > equally for epub as well as daisy books. It might 
> > > > > > > display something like the following. books list view.
> > > > > > > book title 1: current position: wherever you left off.
> > > > > > > Etc. Thanks Kendell clark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/17/2014 03:14 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello, The project is open source however
> > > > > > > > > > developer is looking for some funding so he can
> > > > > > > > > > do his best in order to implement it. E.G. see
> > > > > > > > > > here for bookmarks related issue... 
> > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/rhdunn/cainteoir-gtk/issues/6
> > > > > > > > > > What is a book list as you are describing it?
> > > > > > > > > > Ability to open recently viewed books is already
> > > > > > > > > > there and also ability to see the list of
> > > > > > > > > > chapters. Reading can be started from any point
> > > > > > > > > > from that list.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is really awesome piece of software, it's
> > > > > > > > > > well written continually maintained and the
> > > > > > > > > > developer is cooperative, really an expert,
> > > > > > > > > > considers accessibility and all other stuff we
> > > > > > > > > > might have imagined.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Another his big reference is eSpeak for android.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 09:10 kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > hi Nods, just sent out an email to the developer.
> > > > > > > > > > If he'll add daisy support,a nd possibly at some
> > > > > > > > > > point later bookmarking support and book lists,
> > > > > > > > > > we'll have ourselves a daisy reader that can read
> > > > > > > > > > other formats too. Thanks Kendell clark On
> > > > > > > > > > 11/17/2014 02:06 AM, Peter V??gner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Well gtk UI for cainteoir is not as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feature rich as we would wish however I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have to add another positive comments it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible. Even content is rendered into a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > read only edit field for some simple proof 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reading.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 06:27 Willem van der
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt wrote: There is cainteoir which now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports epub3 with media overlays. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > player, however is not feature-ritch at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the moment.  If someone is good at 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > writing c++, that player could be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expanded to be quite good. The cainteoir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > library supports reading a number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > formats. On Android, there is a player 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > called menestrelo which is good for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading epub3. HTH, Willem
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Steve Holmes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That???s too bad about epub readers. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think these other solutions involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conversions and kludging around with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other formats just ruins the epub 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience. I really like the direct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigation features found in Apple???s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iBooks applications on all their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devices. I wonder if evince can deal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with PDF books though. Has anyone had a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance to try this? Many times, books
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are released in PDF as an alternative
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to epub but still include much of the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigations normally available in epub.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My biggest complaint with converting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff to plain text or whatever is you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lose all that rich navigation that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes with hyper text publications.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even HTML books navigate OK but you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can???t place bookmarks throughout the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text with a web browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhairyashil Bhosale 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dhairyashil bhosale584 gmail com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI, As you mentioned about e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader, the FBReader, CoolReader and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calibre e-book readers are widely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used on Linux platform but I am also 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking some other e-book reader that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will support all type of e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format and will accessible with Orca.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I have some information regarding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to your queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the tools available to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read e-books?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- The FBReader, CoolReader and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calibre are available for Linux and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Android platform. but FBReader and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CoolReader have limited support for 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book format, but Calibre support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all type of e-book format and Calibre
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is open source for Linux platform but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not for Android. Lucidor is also used
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for reading e-books but its have 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accessibility issues (if any)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with e-book reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-  The FBReader, CoolReader and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calibre are not accessible to orca. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used these e-book reader with Orca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Orca is not able to read these 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book readers. But Lucidor e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader is accessible with orca screen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader, but it have some issue while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading e-books.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navigation related issues with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- while using these e-book reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have limited navigation feature,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we press mouce-scroll button for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zoom-in then it will not work as page
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number wise. so these e-book readers 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have limited navigation facilities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, Dhairyashil
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.  Queries regarding e-book readers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Visually Impaired (Leena
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chourey)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15:18:49 +0530 From: Leena Chourey
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <leenagour gmail com> To: Orca-list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <orca-list gnome org>, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>,
evince-list gnome org,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poppler lists freedesktop org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [orca-list] Queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding e-book readers for Visually
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Impaired Message-ID: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <CAD-S5bOtwATLYwtoKXruHG=XknecYOREuicH3aLaHmx1_rSwrQ mail gmail com>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While exploring about the e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reading facility for Visually
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Impaired, I found that various 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > formats like epub, pdf are availble.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Various readers like FBReader,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coolreader, Caliber people use.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please help to find answer for my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > queries about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - What are the tools available to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read e-books? - Is it require to have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific readers to read e-books? -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Widely used e-book readers working
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on Linux & Android platform and with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > screen reader like Orca -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accessibility issues (if any) with 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader - Navigation related
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues with e-book reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leena
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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