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Re: [orca-list] Changing the keybindings to be JAWS-like or


This way we can even think of a small repo of profiles.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.On Thursday 15 May 2014 12:25 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: 
Hi all.
I don't know if it is easy to share a profile but I think that it is not so difficult. 
Probably someone can implement a function to import/export a profile.
Thanks.


On 05/14/2014 03:30 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:


It is this very freedom.
If some one likes some keystorkes of some proprietary software, go make
a profile and keep it with you.
Period!
Even better share it with the rest who like that idea.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Wednesday 14 May 2014 11:16 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

Hi all.
Orca has a nice feature called profiles. Using profiles you can
custumize many parametters like pitch, rate, language and if I am not
mistaken, key bindings.

As an experiment, I changed in one of my profiles the key sequence
used to speak the time from capslock+t to capslock+f12. Seems to works
ok.

On 05/14/2014 01:47 PM, B. Henry wrote:

I see most of us writing meta comments, (I certainly include myself),
but I don't see specific examples of keystrokes that
ppl are suggesting that be changed.
I've made my views known re philosophy  of development, i.e. many
will come from windows but other users will not, Orca's
been around for going on a decade now so many of its users are quite
used to keystrokes and are certainly no less
important than potential future users who are used to some other set
of hotkeys, and especially the ease of changing
keybindings.
What keystrokes are uncomfortable, hard to remember, or illogically
different from those used by windows screenreaders?
And again, if these hotkeys are not the same in NVDA,, JFW, and WE,
which keystroke would be chosen for use by orca.
Perhaps people are just talking one or two keystrokes, or???
Again, most screen readers use insert and or capslocck as the
screenreader key like Orca does.
I remapped several keybindings so as not to conflict with, or even be
very close to keybindings I use with other software,
and to be easier for me to remember in some cases. This did not take
long, but I have been using computers for maybe 7
years now, probably just over half of that time has been spent using
Linux&Orca, not exclusively, but certainly most of
the time.
To clarify and expand an idea I had/posted in my first comment on
this, not only could an alt keymap for orca be
available, but perhaps it would not be hard to code switching between
these layouts just like now laptop and desktop
layouts are offered, i.e. one could be offered laptop, desktop and
NVDA_like, or have an option to make a custom keymap
that could be offered along with defaults.
I'd like to save my keybindings so that I could just install it on
each computer that I use as there are several items I
almost never use that are potentially very useful. I don't remember
what I use for these functions' keybinidings, so I
probably do not reinvent the exact same wheel each time I customize
Orca.
Yes, I can sometimes copy files from one machine to another, but as I
run distros that do not all support the same orca
version this is something I need to check on, i.e. will a file work
on an older release. My orca customizations file for
example doesn't work on orca 3.10 and higher as it was customized for
orca 3.4. So, back/forwards compatibility is
something else that one needs to check on.
--


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 07:53:44PM +0530, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

I agree,
More so because I am a believer of free software and the digital
freedom we
have.
So not forcing once thoughts is part of Freedom.
I love the keyboard shortcuts of Orca and many are much more logical
than
what I have herd off other proprietary screen readers.
That does not mean every one loves it, just that they will have to
be with
it or quit to some other screen reader and OS.
So every one has their views and when more people both in terms of past reputation and also in quantity make a decision, it is honored in free 
software community.
By reputation, mean the experience and the quality of justifications
they
have got consensus in the past.
And one can also forke a free software if need be or even make plugins. 
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Wednesday 14 May 2014 06:11 PM, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote:

This issue has come up a couple of times or more on this list
before.  I
don't recall anybody being crapped on:  disagreed with, yes, but
not crapped
on or yelled at or anything of that sort.

I think my view on keystrokes is essentially the same as Chris's.
Others
have written well about it, so I'll stop spouting.

Thanks!

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:38 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Changing the keybindings to be JAWS-like or

I was just thinking today that someone might walk away from this
discussion
thinking the Orca and Linux community isn't receptive to such
suggestions. I
can't help what conclusions people draw, but I don't think this is
the case
at all.

I think this, and the related suggestions, are excellent ideas. As
another
Orca user, one who came from Windows and who moves between Windows
and Linux
every single day, I have a slightly different take, namely let's
look for
common key bindings, but let's not settle for an inferior model
just to make
it easier for those users making the transition from one particular
operating system and screen reader. If Orca or any screen reader
comes up
with a better set of key bindings or user interface then people will
appreciate that once they make the transition.
I am not an Orca developer, and I don't speak for the Orca development 
community. I'm just another user with a different opinion. I
apologize if
anyone feels like I crapped on them or their idea. I certainly
don't feel
crapped on myself just because others don't agree with my opinion.

I'm sure if anyone contributes any code to Orca allowing the easy
simulation
of another screen reader's key bindings then that code would be
welcome.

On 05/13/2014 09:23 PM, Glenn wrote:

When I suggested this a couple of years ago, I felt like I got
crapped on.
Glenn
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The manual is at
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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