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Re: [orca-list] Changing the keybindings to be JAWS-like or

I see most of us writing meta comments, (I certainly include myself), but I don't see specific examples of 
keystrokes that 
ppl are suggesting that be changed. 
I've made my views known re philosophy  of development, i.e. many will come from windows but other users will 
not, Orca's 
been around for going on a decade now so many of its users are quite used to keystrokes and are certainly no 
less 
important than potential future users who are used to some other set of hotkeys, and especially the ease of 
changing 
keybindings. 
What keystrokes are uncomfortable, hard to remember, or illogically different from those used by windows 
screenreaders? 
And again, if these hotkeys are not the same in NVDA,, JFW, and WE, which keystroke would be chosen for use 
by orca. 
Perhaps people are just talking one or two keystrokes, or??? 
Again, most screen readers use insert and or capslocck as the screenreader key like Orca does. 
I remapped several keybindings so as not to conflict with, or even be very close to keybindings I use with 
other software, 
and to be easier for me to remember in some cases. This did not take long, but I have been using computers 
for maybe 7 
years now, probably just over half of that time has been spent using Linux&Orca, not exclusively, but 
certainly most of 
the time. 
To clarify and expand an idea I had/posted in my first comment on this, not only could an alt keymap for orca 
be 
available, but perhaps it would not be hard to code switching between these layouts just like now laptop and 
desktop 
layouts are offered, i.e. one could be offered laptop, desktop and NVDA_like, or have an option to make a 
custom keymap 
that could be offered along with defaults. 
I'd like to save my keybindings so that I could just install it on each computer that I use as there are 
several items I 
almost never use that are potentially very useful. I don't remember what I use for these functions' 
keybinidings, so I 
probably do not reinvent the exact same wheel each time I customize Orca. 
Yes, I can sometimes copy files from one machine to another, but as I run distros that do not all support the 
same orca 
version this is something I need to check on, i.e. will a file work on an older release. My orca 
customizations file for 
example doesn't work on orca 3.10 and higher as it was customized for orca 3.4. So, back/forwards 
compatibility is 
something else that one needs to check on.
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On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 07:53:44PM +0530, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

I agree,
More so because I am a believer of free software and the digital freedom we
have.
So not forcing once thoughts is part of Freedom.
I love the keyboard shortcuts of Orca and many are much more logical than
what I have herd off other proprietary screen readers.
That does not mean every one loves it, just that they will have to be with
it or quit to some other screen reader and OS.
So every one has their views and when more people both in terms of past
reputation and also in quantity make a decision, it is honored in free
software community.
By reputation, mean the experience and the quality of justifications they
have got consensus in the past.
And one can also forke a free software if need be or even make plugins.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Wednesday 14 May 2014 06:11 PM, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote:

This issue has come up a couple of times or more on this list before.  I
don't recall anybody being crapped on:  disagreed with, yes, but not crapped
on or yelled at or anything of that sort.

I think my view on keystrokes is essentially the same as Chris's.  Others
have written well about it, so I'll stop spouting.

Thanks!

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:38 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Changing the keybindings to be JAWS-like or

I was just thinking today that someone might walk away from this discussion
thinking the Orca and Linux community isn't receptive to such suggestions. I
can't help what conclusions people draw, but I don't think this is the case
at all.

I think this, and the related suggestions, are excellent ideas. As another
Orca user, one who came from Windows and who moves between Windows and Linux
every single day, I have a slightly different take, namely let's look for
common key bindings, but let's not settle for an inferior model just to make
it easier for those users making the transition from one particular
operating system and screen reader. If Orca or any screen reader comes up
with a better set of key bindings or user interface then people will
appreciate that once they make the transition.

I am not an Orca developer, and I don't speak for the Orca development
community. I'm just another user with a different opinion. I apologize if
anyone feels like I crapped on them or their idea. I certainly don't feel
crapped on myself just because others don't agree with my opinion.

I'm sure if anyone contributes any code to Orca allowing the easy simulation
of another screen reader's key bindings then that code would be welcome.

On 05/13/2014 09:23 PM, Glenn wrote:

When I suggested this a couple of years ago, I felt like I got crapped on.
Glenn
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The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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