Re: [orca-list] how to learn and start using orca

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
I think you might only be missing a simple step. Enable caret browsing in yelp by pressing F7.
Then at the beginning of the orca help page you can see

If you are not yet familiar with the navigation commands provided by your desktop environment, you are encouraged to read that documentation first.

That implies you can launch help from e.g. gnome dash and look for keyboard shortcuts. It's really easy to find.

I understand what you are trying to point out but still perhaps this should be tested with a real beginner. I have never used gnome help system for learning something. I am just trying to discover if the info you are requesting is there.
The fact we do need to periodically press F7 in web views, help topics and other rich formatted documents is something that is not know to windows users and it's why it might not be easy to discover for beginner users.

Greetings

Peter



On 17.03.2014 09:43, Jarek Czekalski wrote:

Hi guys

I think that's a big problem. I can't find any starter for someone who would like learn how to use orca. I mean a person without a sight. After a short introduction a person should be able to go by themselves.

For example:
1. An article showing the basic usage of orca, allowing one to enter orca preferences and read the shortcut keys. Preferably with an audio version of the article.
2. Having knowledge from point 1, one should be able to read the help and other online resources.

As for point one, it's not very difficult. If one has someone to guide them, it's easy to gain the basic knowledge described in point 1.

But for point 2, that's impossible. I don't know how to read yelp. I press the Help button and the only things I can read with flat review are the labels of the buttons, menu items and scroll bars. I can start ReadAll command, but that's not enough to use the manual.

If I cheat and use the structural navigation commands (which I should not know, because I can't read about them), I can read the help page, but not in a continous way. I don't know how to use structural navigation to effectively read a webpage, for example the first orca help page in yelp. I wanted to go by paragraph, but there's only one paragraph there.

Is there any idea of how a blind person can start using orca? Let's have this idea written somewhere, preferably at Orca wiki page [1]. Currently if one tries to follow Configuration/Use link they land in "This page does not exist yet".

Jarek

[1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca

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