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Re: [orca-list] LXDE/Openbox menu accessibility

Hi, there,

I once thought of doing something along these lines.  I never seemed to find
the time so, I'll list my ideas here in case there is one you hadn't thought
of:

*  CMS base for the website:  Ilias from http://www.ilias.de which is a
learning management system.  I thought I'd make it a sort of online school
with little courses guiding people step by step through different aspects of
eyesfree linux.
*  Host site myself using a plain Jane Linux box with a dynamic DNS service
like NOIP http://www.noip.com
*  Draft up a template type system for people to submit how-to courses on
stuff.  Maybe have several, one for real basic, one page type things and one
for a more advance, multichapter project with multiple colaborators.  


Anyway, that's about as far as I got.  I don't know how much use you'll get
out of those ideas but, you are welcome to them.  It sounds like what you
are going for is a sort of wiki-based approach.  What I was going for was a
sort of Linux online school for blind and low vision users.  The CMS I
mentioned lets you create forums, wikis, blogs, courses, chat rooms,
calendars, colaboration groups and personal workspaces.  Your courses can be
made up of text, graphics, audio, video, you name it.  You can even link to
stuff on youtube and vimeo directly from any given course someone is in
really easily.  It's quite an accessible site platform and easy to use and
instal.  It is in php and runs off a MySql database so your standard LAMP
stack is about all you need.  It's got a pretty light footprint too so, you
don't need some great massive server set up.  Your standard desktop turned
server should do quite nicely until the site grows.  You could maybe do
things with load balancing and distributed computing but, I personally don't
know how to do that sort of thing.  


Wishing you the best in this worthy endeavor,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Mike Ray
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:26 AM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] LXDE/Openbox menu accessibility

Tony,

At the moment my mind is working along these lines on this subject...

The domain name I have in mind is eyesfreelinux.info.  The site would be
very minimalist, nothing fancy or clever, no masses of graphics, mouse-overs
or tricksy dynamic HTML.  No complicated control panels or wysiwg blog or
wiki entry systems.  Ikiwiki is the one thing I was thinking of because of
the ability to author stuff in markdown offline before uploading it.

The site would be limited to top-down installs and each 'guide' would follow
this road-map:

1.  You have a computer.
2.  You want to run Linux.
3.  You can't see and are either determined to do it without sighted
assistance or don't have access to IT-savvy sighted assistance.

The site could also have links to TRUSTED accessibility stuff like the
Debian Accessibility wiki, the Orca site etc.

I already have www.raspberryvi.org for the Pi stuff.  Thanks for your offer
of free hosting.  I will give it some more thought and get back to you.  I
don't want this to become a rod for my own back though.  I just thought
somewhere for minimalist install guides where the required information is
not hidden by tons and tons of noise.  At the moment I suspect all of us
have to sift through dozens of stale or half-complete blog or wiki posts to
assemble the stuff we need.

Mike

On 26/06/2014 08:16, Tony Baechler wrote:

Hello,

I really like your idea about putting all of the useful bits of 
information on a central web site for future reference.  I would be 
willing to host such a site free of charge.  All I would ask is a link 
to the main batsupport.com site somewhere on your pages, such as at 
the top or bottom.  I can either give you a wiki, (I have ikiwiki 
already installed and mostly configured), a full CMS like WordPress or 
you could just create plain HTML.  I'm flexible on this, but my 
preference would be a wiki so others could add to it.  It would be a 
subdomain of batsupport.com, such as linux.batsupport.com or

wiki.batsupport.com.

Since you work with the Raspberry Pi, information on that could also 
be integrated.  If you want to take full charge of the site, you could 
manage it and screen future contributions.  You mentioned that you 
wouldn't post anything which you hadn't verified yourself.  You could 
verify new information before approving it for posting and of course 
post news about the Pi as it's released.  Likewise, if you want a 
dedicated site that isn't shared with others, that could also be arranged.

I would hope the goal would be to make the site a central resource for 
anything having to do with Linux accessibility, whether console, GUI 
or otherwise.  As you say, other than the BIOS, there is no reason why 
people can't do a totally independent install.  I have personally 
built several Debian servers from the ground up from installation to 
email, Apache, LVM, RAID, etc so I know it can be done by a totally 
blind person.  That is more than you can say for Windows in most 
cases.  I personally think that Linux is the best thing to happen for the

blind since the Internet itself.

 Anyone can have full control over their machine, operating system and 
software regardless of what accessibility solutions they use, whether 
speech, Braille or screen magnification.  It would also be good to 
have a directory of other sites and mailing lists related to 
accessibility, like the Speakup site, the Debian accessibility wiki, 
etc.  I am mostly a console user myself and am still learning Orca, so 
it would be good to have information related to Orca collected in one 
place.  There is of course the Orca wiki, but it doesn't deal with 
other accessibility solutions such as Speakup.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am working on a business 
supporting the blind on Linux.  It's called BATS or Baechler Access 
Technology Services.  You can see a placeholder page at 
<http://batsupport.com/>.  I was already intending to create a wiki 
for exactly the kind of information you mention below.  It would be 
great to work within the existing community if you or someone else is

already planning such a project.

There would probably be an area for members only, but the Linux 
accessibility information would be free in the spirit of open source.  
I haven't worked out all of the details and logistics, but probably 
licensing it under a Creative Commons license would be the way to go.  
I would be interested in your thoughts.  Please let me know if this is 
something you would like to consider.
On 2014-06-25 03:51 PM, Mike Ray wrote:

Great stuff.  I'm collecting all this info.  I'd like to create some 
kind of resource, a web page I guess just devoted to getting an 
accessible Linux up and running totally without any sighted assistance.
 I would not want to put anything on there I haven't tested and 
verified. The aim would be for posting enough information about 
Arch/Debian/Trisquel or any other distro with Gnome/LXDE/XFCE/Mate or 
any other desktop, or just a speaking console.  And again, enough 
reliable info for a newbie to do it with NO sighted assistance.  Of 
course setting the BIOS boot sequence is something we can't do 
without eyes.  But nothing else on the pages that require sighted

assistance.

Maybe I'm just stubborn and over-independent.

Finding stuff online is often difficult and when you do find 
something it isn't always either accurate or up to date.

So this discussion is very useful.



On 25/06/2014 20:41, D. A. H. wrote:

Hi, Folks!

Once mate is running, go to
menus->system->preferences->accessibility and enable orca autostart
for future sessions.  With the lines shown below, in a file in 
/etc/profile.d/, you'll have a mate session as accessible as it can 
be.  To make the 'alt+tab' key stroke speak, you can switch your 
window manager to metacity. \ First install metacity from your 
distro's main software repository. then, in a terminal, type:
gsettings set org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager 
metacity

To try metacity without making the change persistent,  do, either in 
a terminal or the 'run' dialogue

metacity --replace

To revert, type the 'gsettings' line, above, substituting 'marco'
for 'metacity'.



On 06/25/2014 02:00 PM, Richard wrote:

Try the following in Gnome, if you have it before you try logging 
into Mate.

sudo gedit /etc/profile.d/gtk.sh

Add the following 2 lines

#accessibility enabled export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge


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Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

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