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Re: [orca-list] Geany, SciTE and other Scintilla based applications


And if he refuses to produce documentation in Mandarin Chinese, a
language spoken by a large percentage of the world's population, does
that make him a SOB?



On 15/07/2014 20:44, John Heim wrote:

Right, everyone has a right to be an SOB. I would never say otherwise.
But either he is an SOB or he doesn't understand the problem. Those
are the only 2 possibilities.

Yes, I am saying that anyone who flatly refuses to consider adding
accessibility to his code is an SOB. Either that or the problem hasn't
been adequately explained to him.

It is not our own responsibility as blind people to add accessibility
to everything that comes along. That is no more practical than
expecting everyone to write their own network drivers or their own
boot managers.  We all use everybody else's code. We're not asking the
guy to write a screen reader. And we're not asking him to write
drivers to support our old MFM hard drive or something. We can't
upgrade to sightedness. It's not like we have a choice here.






On 07/15/14 11:54, Mike Ray wrote:

I think Neil is perfectly aware of what accessibility is and the fact
that there are plenty of people who would like to see it done.

Even to have written a control like Scintilla is a huge achievement and
he is to be congratulated for it and making it open source.

But like the rest of us, he can make his own decisions about the code he
wrote.


On 15/07/2014 17:40, B. Henry wrote:

For sure anyone has the right to be tired, have a different set of
priorities than we do or just plain be uninterested.
It's also possible that the guy just doesn't know what's required to
add accessibility code and doesn't have the time
for, or
can't be bothered with this right now.
Anyone who approaches him in what ever way should certainly
understand this and be respectful.
That all being said there's a good chance that the authorin question
isn't aware of the interest that screenreader
dependent users have in his software. Hearing that there are many
people who are interested may influence his priorities,
assuming he has any for this, i.e. he is  actively working on it
these days.
Don't be pushy, demanding, overly aggressive, but asking and or
making a brief case for this work may make a difference,
if not this week, maybe next year.
As stated, if you really want something done, well do it or find
someone who you can get to do it for you. Unless you have
money to pay to get it done this of course means finding someone who
cares and has the skills to fix things.
I've barely heard of the programs in question,so have no dog in this
fight as it were.
What applications are accessible that come closest to doing what
this software does?
Thanks,
-- 
B.H.

  
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 04:20:37PM +0100, Mike Ray wrote:

I wouldn't refer to trying to pressure Neil Hodgson into adding
accessibility to Scintilla as 'peer pressure'.  He wrote it, he
unfortunately has every right to refuse to spend time adding
accessibility.

Happily as it's open source there's no reason why somebody else should
not do the necessary work.


I get as frustrated as anybody with inaccessible apps but we don't
have
a right to bulldozer authors into doing stuff they don't want to do.



On 15/07/2014 15:01, John Heim wrote:

Sounds like time for some peer pressure.  I'll have a go at it
soon as
I have some time. That probably won't be until at least next week.



On 07/15/14 01:49, Mike Ray wrote:

He just said no.

And then made some comments about Microsoft changing their
accessibility
interface which made introduction of a11y in the Windows version
difficult.

And something about any changes needing to be
backwards-compatible to
earlier gtk versions.

However he did express a willingness to incorporate any a11y
changes a
competent developer might add.

I think everything except the actual edit control, being standard
gtk
widgets basically work.  Although Scintilla code-completion and
call-tips are likely to be more of a problem, as they are on
Windows.

I will have a look at atk and how to interface to at-spi but I
know very
little about gtk or atk at the moment.

Mike


On 15/07/2014 07:23, Tony Baechler wrote:

Did he give a reason why?  I'm not a programmer, but could a
patch be
written easily or would that require a lot of extra code?  I'm
thinking that
Debian for example often ships source patches to fix bugs and add
features.
   Obviously, if it's a lot of work, it's not worth it, but if
the major
distros could ship a patched version with accessibility, that could
be a
possible solution.

On 2014-07-14 04:21 PM, Mike Ray wrote:

Hello.

Today I asked Neil Hodgson, the author of the Scintilla control
which is
used by Geany, SciTE and a number of other gtk tools, if he would
consider adding accessibility code to the gtk version of
Scintilla.

He said no.

Mike


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