Re: [orca-list] Geany, SciTE and other Scintilla based applications

[Mike Ray <mike raspberryvi org>]

John,

Not sure what you're suggesting here but luckily for freedom of speech
and general principles of liberty, legislation does not yet apply to
stuff like a privately developed control which the author then chooses
to make open source.

If it did, the net result would be a far smaller pool of free software.

Mike


On 15/07/2014 20:18, John Heim wrote:
> Ther's rights and then there's  right and wrong.
>
>
> On 07/15/14 10:20, Mike Ray wrote:
> > I wouldn't refer to trying to pressure Neil Hodgson into adding
> > accessibility to Scintilla as 'peer pressure'.  He wrote it, he
> > unfortunately has every right to refuse to spend time adding
> > accessibility.
> >
> > Happily as it's open source there's no reason why somebody else should
> > not do the necessary work.
> >
> >
> > I get as frustrated as anybody with inaccessible apps but we don't have
> > a right to bulldozer authors into doing stuff they don't want to do.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15/07/2014 15:01, John Heim wrote:
> > > Sounds like time for some peer pressure.  I'll have a go at it soon as
> > > I have some time. That probably won't be until at least next week.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 07/15/14 01:49, Mike Ray wrote:
> > > > He just said no.
> > > >
> > > > And then made some comments about Microsoft changing their
> > > > accessibility
> > > > interface which made introduction of a11y in the Windows version
> > > > difficult.
> > > >
> > > > And something about any changes needing to be backwards-compatible to
> > > > earlier gtk versions.
> > > >
> > > > However he did express a willingness to incorporate any a11y changes a
> > > > competent developer might add.
> > > >
> > > > I think everything except the actual edit control, being standard gtk
> > > > widgets basically work.  Although Scintilla code-completion and
> > > > call-tips are likely to be more of a problem, as they are on Windows.
> > > >
> > > > I will have a look at atk and how to interface to at-spi but I know
> > > > very
> > > > little about gtk or atk at the moment.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 15/07/2014 07:23, Tony Baechler wrote:
> > > > > Did he give a reason why?  I'm not a programmer, but could a patch be
> > > > > written easily or would that require a lot of extra code?  I'm
> > > > > thinking that
> > > > > Debian for example often ships source patches to fix bugs and add
> > > > > features.
> > > > >    Obviously, if it's a lot of work, it's not worth it, but if the
> > > > > major
> > > > > distros could ship a patched version with accessibility, that could
> > > > > be a
> > > > > possible solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2014-07-14 04:21 PM, Mike Ray wrote:
> > > > > > Hello.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Today I asked Neil Hodgson, the author of the Scintilla control
> > > > > > which is
> > > > > > used by Geany, SciTE and a number of other gtk tools, if he would
> > > > > > consider adding accessibility code to the gtk version of Scintilla.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said no.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike


-- 
Michael A. Ray
Analyst/Programmer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK

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