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Re: [orca-list] No Terminal window in Ubuntu

First, the original question. I know on ubuntu precise gnome terminal is there and called such. I do not know 
for sure if 
it is stil named such i'n trusty, but would be a bit surprised if it's not. I do not haave the time to check 
package 
lists, and deleted my vanila trusty .iso as I know I won't be running that personally. Mate terminal is 
almost the same, 
and xfce terminal is a bit lighter with out a couple of features. There are many other opti8ons, some 
accessible, but 
might as well use what's there by default. 
Now, for my thoughts regarding current desktop enviroments for Orca users. It's somewhat OT, but helping ppl 
find the way 
to use Orca that suits their needs and desires best is probably worth doing every once in a while when what's 
available 
changes signifficantly. In the future I hope that we have a place where this can be handled in a serious way, 
a website 
for reviews, specs, and accessibility tips as some have mentioned here. There's way too much to say to deal 
with it all on 
list here, and I'll keep  my word about not going on about this subject in the future unless there's 
something really new 
to say. What is best for one person, their hardware, software choices, and computing style will not be for 
someone else. I 
did not memntion lxde or ratpoison here. Neither would be a top choice for most users, but if you would 
consider fluxbox, 
then you may want to t-ake a lookk at ratpoison. If you would consider xfce, then lxde may be a viable 
choice. It's the 
lightest of any more or less accessible Desktop enviorment, assuming you do not include fluxbox in this 
category. In some 
ways fluxbox is much more than a sinmple window manager, but as it doesn't include it's own apps and daemons 
it is  not 
quite a desktop enviroment.
I totally get that there are many different tastes in computing styles, and how one likes to interact with 
their 
computer(s). 
In'm perhaps in a minority, but a pretty large one who actually likes more than one Desktop environment. 
I agree that the current unity has much to be desired when it comes to accessiblity, so I cn't even really 
give it a fair 
test as to whether my former opinion of preferring the unity interface to that of gnome3 should stand in an 
equal 
accessiblility playiing field that does not currently exist or not. I must say that My current fixation on 
efficient 
resource handling is making me respect gnome 3 more, as it does provide a type and find, search driven 
interface if you 
will using quite a bit less memory, and perhaps cpu compared with unity. Unfortunatelly neither gnome3 or 
Unity gives one 
an acceptable level of control over things, gnome appeariing to be even worse. I do not have enough 
experience with 14.04, 
only a few hours of testing to say if things have gotten worse or better compared with 12.04 in this area. 
Ubuntu tweak 
was completely inaccessible on 12.04 for me, and had limited interactions with 2d unity anyway from what I 
read. I could 
however disable much of the indexing and such that comsumed extra cpu cycles and memory, and found myself 
able to work 
pretty well with unity when accessiblity was good. I suspect with more practice I could get almost as 
efficient with 
gnome3, and honestly have not done a serious logical analysis of what should be possible.
On the other hand, for those who have not become dependent on or at least very used to typing ap names in to 
search boxes 
as the primary interaction method with their GUI all this is seriously wasteful of system resources, and at 
best will give 
a similarly efficient experience assuming their computer is fast enough to manage the heavier interfaces well 
as compared 
with a more traditional menu driven interface. I get around the differences in interfaces by defining a 
rather high number 
of keyboard shortcuts in what ever environment I'm using, and this has made my current go to GUI, fluxbox, a 
great fit. 
It's blazing fast to launch and shutdown even oon slower systems, and 1gig of RAM is plenty for most anyone 
who's not 
doing serious multimedia editing and such memory intensive tasks 
The compromise between this kind of system, and the gnome shell is Mate. Mate gives one a perfectly 
accessible 
applications and places menu that launches very quickluy with one, not a couple or three keystrolkes, and 
it's organized. 
If my memory does not fail me gnome gives you your programs, but not categorized. I think there are applets 
for this, but 
my point is that someone coming from windows xp, or even windows 7 is probably going to want there menu list 
very quickly 
accessible, and for many users there's no justification in using the extra resources to power enhanced search 
capability. 
My biggest gripe with gnome andunity is the need to constantly expand things, or go to other levels. Sure, it 
looks nice 
to have the clean screen, but if one is going to use the samne thing over and over, more often than anything 
else, then 
make it stickily configurable. I know this is way off topic, but I'm just saying that I think for a very 
large percentage 
of users Mate makes more since than gnome or Unity. Especially with gnome 3.12 I find the asthetic being in 
the lead as 
gnome dev well put it a couple years in an interview I read has taken away functionality in some cases past 
any level of 
reason, and in others has made things less efficient for many users. 
For similar reasons to some of what I describe above it seems that several major distros are considering 
moviing or 
actually moving to XFCE as their default desktop, and I'd probably prefer XFCE hands down if panels were 
accessible. Even 
in its current state until very recently I used XFCUE more than mate, but logic says why even bother with it 
with out 
panels, might as well use fluxbox, so I do...lol.
Most folks will want a better apps menu than what one gets by opening /usr/share/applications in pcmanfm, or 
another 
filemanager though, and sys-trayish stuff is quite useful and not yet accessible in fluxbox with any 
configuration I've 
come up with, thinking about trying some more things until the "slit" is seen by orca however. 
In conclusion I think the bottom line is for the average user profiles either Gnome or mate are the best 
options around 
for now. Will unity get back on track access wise in the next couple of years? Let's hope so. Will XFCE's 
posible 
increased popularity get devs more active and finally get the panel issue resolved, again, let's hope so. 
Will gnome ever 
start listening to what so many users want and start making things more customizable, well, I'm less than 
easily convinced 
after the last couple of years, but as long as accessablity stays good it'll remain a first choice for many. 
I'm most 
confident about Mate continuing to address accessability issues as high priority and sticking to a road map 
that fits in 
with what many users like and want, and thus will also be a very good choice for Orca users. And lastly, I'm 
hopeful 
regarding fluxbox improving accessability, but have no way of knowing if it'll improve enough in the short to 
medium term 
to make it a seriously viable option for the less geeky. I do hope I can make a preconfigured/customized 
version of 
fluxbox with a lot of help from mate and gnome packages so that the Linux novice with a netbook or older 
hardware can rock 
and roll. No promises, but I'll put some energy in to making this a reality,,, so if the time is there it 
wiill happen. 

 
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:12:56AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:

Sudo apt-get install gnome-shell

Or, if you want the whole nine yards:

Sudo apt-get install gnome

I use Ubuntu with gnome-shell right now and for me it's the only way to go.  14.04 uses Gnome 3.10 with 
Orca 3.10 and, while it admittedly isn't the latest and greatest set-up what with all the new enhancements 
that have been getting put into Orca in the last month or so, it's absolutely first rate as far as I'm 
concerned.  Works awesome.  Way way better than Unity.  

Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:04 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] No Terminal window in Ubuntu

Hi Thomas,
Thanks for the suggestion of "gnome-terminal".
But that did nothing either.
Using "terminal" used to work in earlier versions of Ubuntu.
This is using Unity, maybe I need to install Gnome?
What is the best way of doing that?
I'm having problems finding things in the applications area and without a terminal, window, I don't know if 
the apt-get will work.
I was able to run gparted with the alt + F2, so I know that the unity run window works.
Thanks for any help.

Glenn 

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