Re: [orca-list] More cool focus and browse mode stuff to test

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
Originally I was highly inspired by all related features found in NVDA. 
Now I see it is becoming slightly different than NVDA has allowing the 
same level of flexibility. Sticky focus mode is a good idea. I am 
already trying to come up with a translation for it while submitting 
slovak localization updates to gnome translation team.
As for the main question I think when moving by arrow keys in browse 
mode the default should be not to automatically change to focus mode.
I still need to get used to these new features. I was expecting ability 
to use enter to change to focus mode and esc for going back to browse 
mode depending of the context but I can understant given reasoning and I 
will get used to the way it is currently implemented. Perhaps I was 
really trying to rip too many things from NVDA.

I haven't yet found issues wit this. I am updating the master each day 
yesterday is the only exception to this. I was a bit busy in the office 
this week, I am using orca with these features all day long and I find 
it usefull.


Greetings

Peter

On 14.08.2014 at 02:55 Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> I just committed a couple of changes to master:
>
> 1. A setting by which you can control whether or not caret navigation
> triggers focus mode. The default value is False. That seems to be what
> most people indicated they wanted. It is also the default behavior of
> NVDA. As with the other (structural navigation / quick key) option, this
> is not yet in the GUI. In order to change the value to not be the
> default, you currently have to do it via your orca-customizations.py. If
> you want caret navigation to trigger focus mode automatically, you can do:
>
> import orca.settings
> orca.settings.caretNavTriggersFocusMode = True
>
> 2. The ability to set focus mode to sticky. This has a command,
> currently bound to Orca+A double click. In this mode, regardless of what
> you decide to do with respect to automatic toggling, Orca will pass
> along caret navigation keystrokes and structural navigation keystrokes
> to Gecko unconsumed (i.e. as if they were not Orca commands). This is
> designed mainly for web apps.
>
> Because there is now a sticky focus mode, if you are in focus mode (the
> non-sticky variety) and press Tab to move to a link or checkbox or
> button or other focusable thing where focus mode is not needed, Orca
> will switch back to browse mode. James Teh tells me that this is what he
> does for NVDA. It also means that the change I made that Peter pointed
> out along with a hack to disable it is no longer there. I hope that is
> what you all want.
>
> On a related note: What do you all think the default behavior should be
> when you use structural navigation (aka quick keys) to move focus to a
> form field? Originally I was thinking that we should try to preserve
> Orca's existing default behavior (i.e. default is to automatically
> switch to focus mode if it's not a button, checkbox, or radio button).
> But given that this whole browse mode, focus mode, sticky focus mode is
> a pretty significant change, I no longer feel compelled to keep the
> default behavior. So what say you?
>
> Regardless, as for testing the three (two and a half?) modes: A good
> site to play with the new support is on Twitter. I've been able to use
> caret navigation in browse mode to read lines, structural navigation in
> browse mode to jump to links (by quick key k), and then switch to sticky
> focus mode to use j and k to read tweets and interact with content
> without accidentally triggering an auto browse mode switch. If I do say
> so myself, Twitter with Orca master is working pretty nicely now.
>
> Having said that, please be aware that there are some known caret and
> text related bugs still. Fun fact: You can currently caret browse list
> boxes. <headdesk, headdesk, headdesk> Also, sometimes in DuckDuckGo,
> using arrows in the search results moves you from result to result;
> other times it moves you in lines with Orca's spewing "YIKES!" errors.
> There are other little quirks along these lines. A non-trivial number of
> them are the result of all the hacks Orca has trying to implement caret
> navigation. These hacks are going to start being ripped out very soon.
> Possibly even tomorrow. That should both help with these new features as
> well as eliminate some of the looping and text skipping.
>
> Anyhoo... Please try master and let me know what you think. Thanks!
> --joanie
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