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Re: [orca-list] Your opinion regarding caret control in Gecko

I remember orca just playing them both through both speakers, or how ever the sound card handles it. As tones 
change to 
indicate aprox progress one just has to gguess which is which if a 2nd progress bar is completeing faster 
than the first 
one.
I suppose one could code a different wave form for 2nd or 3rd prog-bars, but I think this feature is mostly 
practical for 
checking progress of a focused app,, or one app in the background. I found it useful for download progress, 
and there 
indeed there could be several downloads going on at a time, but one did not always know which was which. This 
is probably 
best customized by the user, e.g. using tones for firefox, and having them be heard globally, while voip apps 
would have 
them turned off in all ways, and some other program would be set to only give progress announcements or beeps 
when in 
focus.
Position identified alerts, left and right speaker, would be good, but many people only have a mono  audio 
output, at 
least some of the timie, and or if more than a foot or two away from a laptop you'd often not be able to say 
which speaker 
a tone comes from, so the more I think using say a clear tone for 1st bar, a square wave for 2nd, and a kind 
of tick or 
tock, (hollow wood block sound or similar), for the 3rd progress alert would be about as far as I think it 
practical to 
go with this.
That of course leaves one with the problem of someone with 5 things updating for example. I suppose tone 
scheme could just 
repeat after the 3rd tone,. I mean, you could add a 4th sound type, but somewhere you have to stop.
Inteligent user-configuration seems the only solution, and if not done well some infromation would not be 
presented well. 
I wonder if trying to distinguish between progressbars by the tones in any way is worth the effort, but 
asuming the effort 
is not great, having tone 1, tone 2, and then reusing the tone type for 3, 4, and higher might be the best 
solution. My 
guess is that code wold be heavier to give proportional location to each update, but with good headphones one 
c could 
probably handle 3-5 tones reasonably well.
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B.H.
  
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 02:46:41PM -0500, kendell clark wrote:

hi
I agree with the suggestion for audio tones, but I'd make it configurable, possibly like what nvda does, 
speak, tones, 
nothing, or both, something like that.
While I'm on the subject of tones, something completely OT here, would it be possible to have beeps on 
progress bar 
updates, instead of speech if the user wants? I don't know how you'd handle multiple progress bars, maybe 
have the first 
bar in the left, second in the right speaker, the third I'm not sure and that's a different subject so I'll 
say no more, 
just thought I'd bring it up.
Thanks
Kendell clark

On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 12:22:31PM -0430, Luis González wrote:

I just was writing the same, leave a "little chekbox" on the Orca's
firefox settings tab.

Another advantage of disabling this feature is it would make possible
things like using "H" to go to the next header, even if you're into a
tex box or similar.

2014-08-07 12:08 GMT-04:30, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>:

Hey Nolan.

On 08/07/2014 11:39 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Hmm, so with this change, you wouldn't automatically switch to forms
mode when entering input?


Orca doesn't have a forms mode. <smiles> Having said that, another
possibility is to do as I suggested for structural navigation and toggle
caret navigation off and announce that to the user.

The current situation is that if you have Orca's caret navigation
enabled, every time you press a caret navigation key, Orca looks at
where you are and makes a decision about whether or not it should do
actually do that caret navigation. In other words there are times when
Orca is controlling the caret officially but deciding it shouldn't do so
at this particular time. If Orca guesses wrong, you can get stuck in
widgets. Beyond that, each and every time you press an arrow key and
Orca is controlling the caret, it does a bunch of checks to decide
whether or not it really should be or not. This is non-performant.

What the final solution is should be discussed, but whatever it winds up
being, I would suggest in includes setting toggling. The toggling can be
done by the user or it could be done automatically by Orca and
announced. The one thing that seems to be filled with failure is not
toggling it and trying to guess if Orca really should control it.

--joanie

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