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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Need help in Ubuntu accessibility (Jason White)
2. openSUSE, Tumbleweed, GNOME, and Orca (Robert Cole)
3. Re: openSUSE, Tumbleweed, GNOME, and Orca (Jason White)
4. Re: openSUSE, Tumbleweed, GNOME, and Orca (Robert Cole)
5. Re: Need help in Ubuntu accessibility (Christopher Chaltain)
6. Re: Need help in Ubuntu accessibility
(Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:49:42 +1100
From: Jason White <jason jasonjgw net>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help in Ubuntu accessibility
Message-ID: <20131120064942 GA16453 jdc jasonjgw net>
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Nitin <nitinzd1985 gmail com> wrote:
is eclipse accessible?
Yes. The Eclipse developers also have a history of responding
promptly to bug reports related to Orca. I haven't used Eclipse myself; I
prefer Emacs. I would suggest searching the Web and reading about Emacs
and
Emacspeak if you haven't done so already.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:20:41 -0800
From: Robert Cole <rkcole72984 gmail com>
To: Orca-List <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: [orca-list] openSUSE, Tumbleweed, GNOME, and Orca
Message-ID: <528C62C9 8080001 gmail com>
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Hello, everyone.
I have been kind of at a rough point in searching for a production
distribution for awhile now. I want to keep up with accessibility
improvements, but I want to eliminate the six-month upgrade routine
mainly because, due to my current circumstances, I just do not have the
time to deal with it.
I now that, in the next few weeks, the Sonar Project is going to release
a Sonar version based on Manjaro Linux, an Arch derivative. Also,
openSUSE 13.1 was recently released. both of these distributions offer a
rolling release solution. Manjaro is a rolling release distribution "out
of the box" whereas openSUSE has to have its "Tumbleweed" repositories
enabled in order to be used as a rolling release system.
I would love to work with a vanilla Arch installation, but (once again)
I have some serious time restraints, and I am not the best at fixing
things if I break them. There is also the very critical fact that I only
have ONE computer in my home to work with. If I mess it up, I mess it up
for everyone.
I have narrowed my selection of a production distribution to openSUSE,
Manjaro, and Arch. I just want to ask the list here if there are any
openSUSE "Tumbleweed" users out there. If so, how is your experience in
keeping your systemup-to-date in regards to accessibility? When I mean
"up-to-date", I am referring to stable releases (e.g. GNOME 3.6, 3.8,
3.10, etc).
I hate to say it, but one of my faults is that I have a difficult time
making decisions because I am very meticulous concerning all of the
details. I want to do my best to make the best decision.
Please bear in mind that I am not asking, "Which distro should I use?"
From my research, I have come to three candidates: openSUSE, Manjaro,
and Arch. I guess if I could generalize my question even further, I
would phrase it like this: If one wants to keep up with accessibility
improvements (e.g. Orca and the GNOME Shell Magnifier in my case), but
one wants to avoid the six-month upgrade rutine, is a rollign release
distribution a safe, efficient, and effective way to go?
Any thoughts or input would be very much appreciated.
PS: I know that similar questions have been asked in the past, and I am
very sorry for being redundant. It is just that I want to get a
distribution installed and stick with it; I want to keep up with
[stable] releases of all of the accessibility components. When I do the
upgrade process every six months, I have some in my household who become
rather impaitent because they want to use the computer. <smile> That is
the disadvantage of having only one computer. I used to have a laptop,
but it reached its end of life months ago, and I just cannot afford
another machine.
Thanks again, everyone.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:45:28 +1100
From: Jason White <jason jasonjgw net>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] openSUSE, Tumbleweed, GNOME, and Orca
Message-ID: <20131120074528 GA17111 jdc jasonjgw net>
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Robert Cole <rkcole72984 gmail com> wrote:
I guess if I could generalize my question even
further, I would phrase it like this: If one wants to keep up with
accessibility improvements (e.g. Orca and the GNOME Shell Magnifier
in my case), but one wants to avoid the six-month upgrade rutine, is
a rollign release distribution a safe, efficient, and effective way
to go?
That depends very much on how prepared you are to fix problems as they
arise
on a system which is updated continuously rather than dealing with them
all at
once in a single, regular upgrade procedure.
If you want high reliability/stability, you need to choose Debian stable
or
one of the so-called "enterprise" distributions. This won't give you
regular
updates and it won't meet your goal of tracking the latest GNOME and
accessibility-related changes.
The "six-month" upgrade cycles are in between.
Then there are the continuously upgraded distributions, in which you need
to
be prepared to deal with problems that may occur as components of the
system
are upgraded.
What I'm suggesting, in effect, is that your two goals (high reliability
and
absence of breakage, and regular updates to the latest GNOME and
accessibility
tools) are incompatible. Either you get continuous upgrades with a
constant
risk that something will break, or you compromise with a six-month release
cycle, or you opt for greater stability with an "enterprise" distribution.
There are people who run continuously upgraded systems comfortably and who
are
well placed to fix occasional problems that occur; but you really do have
to
be prepared to deal with those, including the possibility of a system that
won't boot until you enter a rescue environment and fix it. If you're
worried
about having only one machine and not being in a position to fix problems,
then I don't think you should be looking at the continuously upgraded
distributions that you've discussed here. If you're prepared to fix the
problems, though, and you're aware that (distributors being subject to
human
failings) they will happen at various points along the way, then go ahead
and
choose a "rolling" distribution.
The perfect world in which we can all upgrade continuously to the latest
software without experiencing problems (of varying degrees of severity)
along
the way simply doesn't exist.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:07:44 -0800
From: Robert Cole <rkcole72984 gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] openSUSE, Tumbleweed, GNOME, and Orca
Message-ID: <528C6DD0 5080307 gmail com>
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Hello, Jason.
Thank you for your response.
Your input on this list has always been very insightful, and I
appreciate your advice in this. I have dealt with some breakages in the
past, but I had the aid of forums and Google in fixing them. I do
understand and accept that things will break (I even had that problem in
Windows...probably more often than I do in Linux); I just really need to
learn how to properly diagnose problems which occur under Linux and how
to solve them.
I am definitely going to take your response into consideration. I really
appreciate you taking the time to reply.
Take care.
On 11/19/2013 11:45 PM, Jason White wrote:
Robert Cole <rkcole72984 gmail com> wrote:
I guess if I could generalize my question even
further, I would phrase it like this: If one wants to keep up with
accessibility improvements (e.g. Orca and the GNOME Shell Magnifier
in my case), but one wants to avoid the six-month upgrade rutine, is
a rollign release distribution a safe, efficient, and effective way
to go?
That depends very much on how prepared you are to fix problems as they
arise
on a system which is updated continuously rather than dealing with them
all at
once in a single, regular upgrade procedure.
If you want high reliability/stability, you need to choose Debian stable
or
one of the so-called "enterprise" distributions. This won't give you
regular
updates and it won't meet your goal of tracking the latest GNOME and
accessibility-related changes.
The "six-month" upgrade cycles are in between.
Then there are the continuously upgraded distributions, in which you need
to
be prepared to deal with problems that may occur as components of the
system
are upgraded.
What I'm suggesting, in effect, is that your two goals (high reliability
and
absence of breakage, and regular updates to the latest GNOME and
accessibility
tools) are incompatible. Either you get continuous upgrades with a
constant
risk that something will break, or you compromise with a six-month
release
cycle, or you opt for greater stability with an "enterprise"
distribution.
There are people who run continuously upgraded systems comfortably and
who are
well placed to fix occasional problems that occur; but you really do have
to
be prepared to deal with those, including the possibility of a system
that
won't boot until you enter a rescue environment and fix it. If you're
worried
about having only one machine and not being in a position to fix
problems,
then I don't think you should be looking at the continuously upgraded
distributions that you've discussed here. If you're prepared to fix the
problems, though, and you're aware that (distributors being subject to
human
failings) they will happen at various points along the way, then go ahead
and
choose a "rolling" distribution.
The perfect world in which we can all upgrade continuously to the latest
software without experiencing problems (of varying degrees of severity)
along
the way simply doesn't exist.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 03:55:35 -0600
From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help in Ubuntu accessibility
Message-ID: <528C8717 10902 gmail com>
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand your message.
Ubuntu 12.04 with Unity 2D is accessible, and you don't need to install
any additional Gnome components to make it accessible. You'll need Orca,
but you should already have that in ubuntu 12.04. If you just don't like
or want to use Unity then you can install Gnome Shell or start with
Gubuntu instead of Ubuntu.
On 11/20/2013 12:12 AM, Nitin wrote:
Hello List,
I have installed Ubuntu 12.0.4 and having unity desktop installed by
default. I have heard that with GNome Ubuntu can be made accessible.
Acctually I want an environment through which programming will be
easier. I'll be using programming languages' like Java and RubyOnRails.
Except GNome, what softwares do I require to work with Ubuntu?
is eclipse accessible?
Any help would be appreciated.
Kind Regards,
Nitin
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:37:59 -0200
From: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza <vilmar informal com br>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help in Ubuntu accessibility
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Hi.
Eclipse is accessible, although you can find small problems.
On 11/20/2013 04:12 AM, Nitin wrote:
Hello List,
I have installed Ubuntu 12.0.4 and having unity desktop installed by
default. I have heard that with GNome Ubuntu can be made accessible.
Acctually I want an environment through which programming will be
easier. I'll be using programming languages? like Java and RubyOnRails.
Except GNome, what softwares do I require to work with Ubuntu?
is eclipse accessible?
Any help would be appreciated.
Kind Regards,
Nitin
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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