Re: [orca-list] The SayAll user experience

[Fernando Botelho <fernando botelho f123 org>]

Joanie, if I may change my mind...

It would be nice to hear what is a heading, list, etc. I can always get 
a clean text-only read by copying-pasting to a text editor and reading 
using say all over there. That way, one has both options: Say all with 
structure while inside Firefox, LibreOffice, etc, and say all completely 
text-only after copy-paste to text editor.

Thanks,

Fernando



On 11/12/2013 09:30 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> Hello,
> On 12.11.2013 04:19, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > 1. The primary purpose of SayAll is:
> >     A. To present the exact same thing I would hear if I were manually
> >        arrowing through the document. I just hate those arrow keys.
> Well I don't hate arrow keys but I feel say all is doing what the answer
> A describes on almost every know platform I am aware and I agree with
> that. There is one exception to this. With arrow keys I am most likelly
> moving by line and I wish say all to move by sentence where possible.
> For example while I am reading a news article or a wikipedia article I
> would like to hear that I am entering a table and most likelly I need to
> stop say all so I can review the table and concentrate my-self better.
> Als I would like to hear bulleted and numbered lists because it really
> makes sense to hear the material I am reading is well structured. If
> reading a presentation style material this may even be important.
> Similar if I am reading whatever article I would like to hear links
> because I know I need to go back and follow the link if I am interested
> in the subject it links to. I would also like to hear headings so I will
> have idea on which chapter I am reading for example while reading longer
> documents. By making the opposite i.e. dropping all formatting it will
> be counter productive and also it will be a pain to add individual
> formatting back as it will get requested. I am sure it will become
> requested as it becomes reduced to plain text say all.
> >     How strongly do you feel about your answer to question 1?
> Huh, unfortunatelly it's too strong as you can see the comment above.
>
> > 2. The expected behavior of my braille display when using SayAll is:
> >     C. It's SayAll; not BrailleAll. As long as you update my display
> >        when SayAll is interrupted or completed, I'm happy.
> >     D. Other (please explain in your answer)
> Both these apply to me C because it's most logical as I understand the
> matter and  D meaning I don't really care because I have never had an
> access to a braille display and I don't expect this to change in
> foreseable future.
>
> > 3. The thing I like most about Orca's current SayAll behavior is.
> >     (fill in the blank)
> I can't say really. It works so far and I am sometimes happily using it.
> > 4. The thing I like least about Orca's current SayAll behavior is.
> I think the performance should be improved and cursor tracking as well.
> For example while reading an email I have just composed after the say
> all is done the caret is positioned at the top or somewhere near the
> paragraph boundary where I have started the say all. Rarely it's at the
> bottom at the end of a message as I expect it to. Unfortunatelly I can't
> understand a logic behind this. This is with Thunderbird 17, Thunderbird
> 24 and Thunderbird 25.
>
> I am sorry that my opinion differs from most the others which have been
> expressed so far.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
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