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Re: [orca-list] orca, squeeze vs wheezy


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Bonobo is old!
Didn't Orca switch libraries for orca 3.x?
Bill
On 03/21/2013 10:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote:


Me, I use Windows iOS and Linux.  I actually like Gnome 3 and Unity

because they remind me of Windows 7.  I love the way you can hit the
super key and type in what app you want and it searches for it for you. 
I litteraly use the same keystrokes to launch stuff in Windows as in
Gnome.  It's nice.  I really love how Gnome takes it a step further and
searches google and wikipedia for you.  Very convenient.


What I wish I could do in Linux was serious sound file editing a la

Soundforge.  I'd also love to be able to create flash presentations that
I can deploy as e-learning.


Alex M

On 3/21/2013 12:09 PM, John G. Heim wrote:

Yeah, the packages in backports do not undergo the thorough  testing

that packages do before a release is moved from testing to stable. But
there are times when those packages are just essential. In my case, I
needed a 3.2 kernel to support some newer hardware.


Tomorrow it will be 2 weeks since I last used a Microsoft Windows

machine. This is actually my third attempt to switch to linux full time.
The first time, I gave up because mail was too hard. At the time,
everyone on this list seemed to be using evolution. I found evolution
just incomprehensible. The second  time wasn't that long ago. But that
bug with iceweasel drove me nuts. I probably should have asked about it
on this list. But I just figured I was too busy to mess with it. But
this time seems to be going much better. In fact, mail is probably the
best thing about my orca experience this time.


I do have to restart orca 5 or 6 times a day because of that bug with

bonobo. Sometimes I just start getting a message when I run a gnome
program that says, "bonobo must be initialized before reuse". But doing
"orca --replace" fixes it.


On 03/21/2013 10:48 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

I once had a similar experience with squeeze backports.  I was running a
project management web application called Redmine which is Ruby

Rails based.

Anyway, backports upgraded one of its dependencies and, after that, it
refused to interpret the code on the pages and asked me to update some
files.  I don't know Ruby so, this didn't happen.  I had to go and

manually

yank out the upgrade to the component.  After that, I turned off

backports.

This took me a while to figure out.

For desktops I actually prefer Wheezy.  Having said that, however,

I'd do

some careful configuring before I upgrade.  I'd use aptitude for one

thing

and not apt-get and I'd go into aptitude and turn off recommended

packages

being automatically installed.  I would then do an aptitude safe-upgrade
after having changed my sources.list file.  The reason I would do

all this

fooling around is that my Squeeze machine is pure alsa based for the

sound

server.  I have Orca, Speakup and Emacspeak on there and they are all
working like a charm right now.  The minute I upgrade to Wheezy, I

have to

worry about Pulse Audio because it's automatically installed with
Gnome-shell unless you take steps to prevent it.  Pulse audio would

cause me

to lose console speech and would introduce complications with Emacspeak
which I would just as soon not have to wrestle with.  In spite of

all that,

I like Wheezy because it has relatively modern packages and the

issues you

described in other postings with Iceweasel and Icedove are no longer a
factor.  Also, I like the gnome-shell interface.  It's more like

windows 7

whereas Gnome 2 is more like xp insome of the ways it behaves.

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of

John G.

Heim
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:25 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] orca, squeeze vs wheezy

I've been asking about squeeze vs wheezy. Here's my plan...

1. Reinstall squeeze on my desktop.
2. Install firefox and thunderbird from mozilla.
3. Forget about  the idea of upgrading my desktop to wheezy

So I think my orca problems in squeeze are being caused by installing a
bunch of stuff from debian squeeze-backports. I upgraded a bunch of

packages

from squeeze-backports because those same packages are on the

machines my

end users use. I wanted my machine to have those same packages so I

would be

more likely to be able to reproduce any problems they find.  But I

think I'm

going to have to go back to plain old squeeze.

But I'm still better off than I was two weeks ago. Two weeks ago, I was
running Win7.
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