Re: [orca-list] orca, squeeze vs wheezy

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

Me, I use Windows iOS and Linux.  I actually like Gnome 3 and Unity 
because they remind me of Windows 7.  I love the way you can hit the 
super key and type in what app you want and it searches for it for you.  
I litteraly use the same keystrokes to launch stuff in Windows as in 
Gnome.  It's nice.  I really love how Gnome takes it a step further and 
searches google and wikipedia for you.  Very convenient.

What I wish I could do in Linux was serious sound file editing a la 
Soundforge.  I'd also love to be able to create flash presentations that 
I can deploy as e-learning.

Alex M

On 3/21/2013 12:09 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
> Yeah, the packages in backports do not undergo the thorough  testing 
> that packages do before a release is moved from testing to stable. But 
> there are times when those packages are just essential. In my case, I 
> needed a 3.2 kernel to support some newer hardware.
>
> Tomorrow it will be 2 weeks since I last used a Microsoft Windows 
> machine. This is actually my third attempt to switch to linux full 
> time. The first time, I gave up because mail was too hard. At the 
> time, everyone on this list seemed to be using evolution. I found 
> evolution just incomprehensible. The second  time wasn't that long 
> ago. But that bug with iceweasel drove me nuts. I probably should have 
> asked about it on this list. But I just figured I was too busy to mess 
> with it. But this time seems to be going much better. In fact, mail is 
> probably the best thing about my orca experience this time.
>
> I do have to restart orca 5 or 6 times a day because of that bug with 
> bonobo. Sometimes I just start getting a message when I run a gnome 
> program that says, "bonobo must be initialized before reuse". But 
> doing "orca --replace" fixes it.
>
> On 03/21/2013 10:48 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> > I once had a similar experience with squeeze backports.  I was running a
> > project management web application called Redmine which is Ruby Rails 
> > based.
> > Anyway, backports upgraded one of its dependencies and, after that, it
> > refused to interpret the code on the pages and asked me to update some
> > files.  I don't know Ruby so, this didn't happen.  I had to go and 
> > manually
> > yank out the upgrade to the component.  After that, I turned off 
> > backports.
> > This took me a while to figure out.
> >
> > For desktops I actually prefer Wheezy.  Having said that, however, 
> > I'd do
> > some careful configuring before I upgrade.  I'd use aptitude for one 
> > thing
> > and not apt-get and I'd go into aptitude and turn off recommended 
> > packages
> > being automatically installed.  I would then do an aptitude safe-upgrade
> > after having changed my sources.list file.  The reason I would do all 
> > this
> > fooling around is that my Squeeze machine is pure alsa based for the 
> > sound
> > server.  I have Orca, Speakup and Emacspeak on there and they are all
> > working like a charm right now.  The minute I upgrade to Wheezy, I 
> > have to
> > worry about Pulse Audio because it's automatically installed with
> > Gnome-shell unless you take steps to prevent it.  Pulse audio would 
> > cause me
> > to lose console speech and would introduce complications with Emacspeak
> > which I would just as soon not have to wrestle with.  In spite of all 
> > that,
> > I like Wheezy because it has relatively modern packages and the 
> > issues you
> > described in other postings with Iceweasel and Icedove are no longer a
> > factor.  Also, I like the gnome-shell interface.  It's more like 
> > windows 7
> > whereas Gnome 2 is more like xp insome of the ways it behaves.
> >
> > Alex M
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of 
> > John G.
> > Heim
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:25 PM
> > To: orca-list gnome org
> > Subject: [orca-list] orca, squeeze vs wheezy
> >
> > I've been asking about squeeze vs wheezy. Here's my plan...
> >
> > 1. Reinstall squeeze on my desktop.
> > 2. Install firefox and thunderbird from mozilla.
> > 3. Forget about  the idea of upgrading my desktop to wheezy
> >
> > So I think my orca problems in squeeze are being caused by installing a
> > bunch of stuff from debian squeeze-backports. I upgraded a bunch of 
> > packages
> > from squeeze-backports because those same packages are on the 
> > machines my
> > end users use. I wanted my machine to have those same packages so I 
> > would be
> > more likely to be able to reproduce any problems they find.  But I 
> > think I'm
> > going to have to go back to plain old squeeze.
> >
> > But I'm still better off than I was two weeks ago. Two weeks ago, I was
> > running Win7.
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