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Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

Onsdag 24. juli 2013 12.08.32 skrev Alex Midence:

I'll create a virtual machine and begin testing before the month is up.  Do
I need to have something like Fedora Rawhide or Ubuntu 13.10 to test in an
environment that will give you valuable data?


No, any reasonalbly recent linux distro should work just fine. I'd go with 
something not too old so that at-spi-2 works.

You can qet Qt 5 installers here: http://download.qt-project.org/official_releases but they will not be 
accessible.

I guess there are more and more distribution packages showing up these days, 
so hopefully that provides a convenient way to test.

Alternatively you can build from source which is somewhat time consuming.


Cheers,
Frederik




Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frederik gladhorn de]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:35 AM
To: kde-accessibility kde org; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
orca-list gnome org
Cc: Alex Midence; 'Krishnakant Mane'
Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to
Mir and QT

Onsdag 24. juli 2013 08.47.34 skrev Alex Midence:

Very true.  The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT.
That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out
KDE.  If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted
to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form
of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you.  If it was a field
you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and
Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character
or word by word navigation was not possible at the time.  I hope
that's gotten better since then.  I haven't looked at it since May or
June of last year, I think.  It is a very important piece of the puzzle.


For Kate it would be great if I could get bug reports with an easy
description on https://bugs.kde.org .

Another interesting thing to try would be Qt Creator - which is probably
quite complex to test, but for me the editor pretty much works with Orca. Or
as a simpler test the text editor example that is shipped with Qt 5
(examples/widgets/richtext/textedit). In general using one of the many
examples shipped with Qt makes it easier for me to reproduce bugs, feel
free to file Qt accessibility bugs on https://bugreports.qt-project.org and
make sure to choose "Gui: Accessibility" as component.

Generally the text interfaces should be much better in Qt 5 compared to Qt
4, but need some testing.

KMail is using WebKit and is not expected to work all that great (even
though Jose made it work much better than before).

Greetings
Frederik


Alex M



From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krmane gmail com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM
To: Alex Midence
Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibility kde org;
vinux-support googlegroups com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to
go to Mir and QT



This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start
reporting bugs agressively.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

Wonderful news!  I certainly feel better for it.  Thanks for all your
hard work on qt-at-spi.



Alex M





From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frederik gladhorn de]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM
To: kde-accessibility kde org
Cc: Alex Midence; orca-list gnome org; vinux-support googlegroups com;
Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and
QT



Hello,



On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote:


Hi, all,















It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
the

near


future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the
current



state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to
find



out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed
that



Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This
was



supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out
with



Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to
know



if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop
will



need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please
see



link below:








Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4,
including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed.
Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making


Qt 4 accessible.


All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to
reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course
that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or
there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good.



Greetings

Frederik












http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced















Regards,







Alex M









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