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Re: [orca-list] Revamped explanation of problems relating to lack of speech accessability

Albert:

You should have Speakup in Fedora 19. I'm using it all day long.

Can you say more about what's not working since your upgrade? Also, how
did you upgrade? Have you checked that the kernel you're running
includes the staging modules for the Linux kernel as this is where the
Speakup module lives?

Janina

Albert Sten-Clanton writes:

Not sure this is worth noting here, but thanks to Bill Acker I did have
Speakup working on Fedora 17 and 18.  (Upgrading to 19 gave me problems I
don't yet know how to fix, one result being no Speakup.) Anyway, though it
worked, the lag between reading keystroke and the speech output it was meant
to give me could be as long as a second.  I think this was especially true
when moving from capital leter to capital letter, or from small to capital,
but it also happened when I read up or down a line.  Were it not for some
considerable advantages with Speakup, I might have stuck to using Orca in a
terminal--but that has its notable problems as well.

Al 

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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Revamped explanation of problems relating to lack
of speech accessability

I am using gentoo and have never gotten pulse to work -- after much fiddling
about, and loading this module load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:0,0

I got audio, but it sounded horrible.

Rob Whyte <fudge thefudge net> wrote:


Hi,
I know this thread is getting off topic now, but I don't believe Pulse 
is as bad as people make it out to be.
Change happens and over the last 5 years Pulse has become domimant, 
this as a community we must deal with and help developers to identify 
where if it fails.
Ubuntu does make Pulse just work but I am pretty sure lot of other 
distributions do also.
Are there representatives from other Distros whom subscribe to this 
list and that may be able to chime in?

Kind regards
Rob Whyte
On 06/08/13 12:48, Alex Midence wrote:

In distributions other than Vinux, what you describe is extremely

difficult to achieve.  If it were not for all of the customizations and
scripts that Luke created so that this was possible, I don't think you would
be saying that.  You would have to run pulse in systemwide mode losing much
of it's functionality. Also, things just get much more complicated when you
have Pulse to deal with. When you have pure alsa, you would not believe how
everything just "works "


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On Aug 4, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>

wrote:



I'm using PulseAudio and Speakup in my consoles and Orca on my GUI, so

I'm not sure where this restriction you're referring to comes from.


On 08/04/2013 11:54 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

You don't have to have gui free systems to use cli apps in console 
mode.  What does help is if it is free of Pulse Audio.  This will 
let you use Speakup for the console and Orca for the GUI.

Alex M

On 8/4/2013 5:09 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I think galpine exists which is designed to run in graphical mode 
not in terminal or console.  I have no idea how compatible orca 
will be with it since most all email discussions are hostage to 
thunderbird and evolution.  Aside from that, alpine may have a 
setting for cursor in its settings that may help.  I don't know 
that any of orca's karet modes will even work in terminal mode.  
If none of that can or will work, the g.u.i. has its limitations and

you may well have just met one of them.

There's always command line if you can get a system specifically 
installed for it and keep that system free of g.u.i. contamination.
It's all in how much of a learning curve you're prepared to take 
on and how soon.

On Sun, 4 Aug 2013, RiverWind wrote:


Here is an expurgated version of my original message.

Hey There,

For the first time ever, I find that Orca refuses to read most 
of the screens in alpine or several other commandline utilities.
They have heretofore performed this function for me without any 
trouble what-so-ever. I absolutely can not get orca to allow me 
total freedom in pine or alpine, and I can not figure out how to 
remedy this matter.

I thought that perhaps firing up a console by means of 
"orca+ctrl+space" would allow me to make some sort of palliative 
adjustments; nothing doing. This is because I can not figure out 
how to load speech-dispatcher and get it talking. When ever I 
load a console, orca goes on vacation, AWOL as you might say. I 
am then bereft of speech output. I can log into the console 
readily enough, but I'm dead in the water afterwards.

I would be most sincerely thankful for any help I might be able 
to obtain here. I would be most especially grateful to once more 
be capable of operating in terminal mode as apposed to in a 
console, if possible. I am most dreadfully sorry to address the 
same issue twice in such a short time, but I really haven't any 
choice in the matter. Please bear with me, kind reader, and 
perhaps I'll not be faced with this most odious of necessities 
in the near future at least.

cheerio,
Riv

My Website @ http://riverwind.shellworld.net My Blog 
http://windraven13.livejournal.com/
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The manual is at
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ml The FAQ is at 
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The manual is at 
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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