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Hi Jason,
+1 for all that you said.
I am a full-time linux user and I cringe and get disgusted if I
come to a situation where I have to forcefully use windows for one
thing and Jaws for that matter.
It is so dam irritating and complex.
Some one told me that you need to click some start button to find
shut down.
I then found it to be true.
Well, Every software is a representation of human ideas and we
can't always say that one idea, just because it came before has to
be better than the new one.
Infact talking about this, I many times find Orca doing better job
at many things.
Talking about same key bindings, it is a matter of standards such
as alt+f4 or alt+tab.
We talk about M$ Word but it is just another word processor like
Writer. Calc and Excel are spreadsheet software.
So the concepts to me is just the same.
I too can go on with the list but I think its basically on one's
mindset.
And free software is all about freedom. If you don't like it then
no one forces you to use it.
If you are being critical inorder to provide some inputs, then it
is more than welcome. Just make sure that the comparisons are
justified and we can achieve some thing by understand the reasons
rather than blindly following some thing.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On 09/01/2012 09:24 PM, Jason Miller wrote:
Meant to send here button enter on wrong selection in menu.
*oops*
Begin forwarded message:
Hello,
That's kind of an unfair statement to use. First off,
Emacs isn't the only use of Linux for the blind. There are
things like speakup with espeakup or speechdup, or Orca as
well. There's also distros like Vinux which go through a
logn process of setting up key bindings, custom scripts and
several other modifications that go in to make the use as
painless, and seamless as possible. Not to mention other
custom distros that are working on accessibility, and the
fact that things like Orca and Speakup are part of the out
of the box solution for some mainstream distributions.
There's also the fact that not *everyone* wants JFW. If
that were the case, then readers for Windows like NVDA, and
Window Eyes wouldn't exist, due to IP infringement, or
accessibility for Linux and Mac would be nil as well. If
you're comparing Word Perfect for custom bindings, then you
should be interested to know that either through
accessibility settings, or through minimal scripting (which
in my eyes, is much easier to understand than JFW
scripting), you can set up custom key assignments, and have
anything scripted, and customized to your liking. One last
thing you probably don't realize, is that with certain, if
not most distributions, key assignments are pretty similar.
Alt + F4 to shut down programs, CTRL + S for saving, CTRL +
W to shut down windoes, ALT + D in firefox to get to the
address back, backspace to back out of a folder to the
previous, I could go on a long while with same key
assignments.
Finally, using the comparison of being able to use it in
your sleep, that is something many people can say about
whatever distro or screen reader they use. I haven't even
been a true Linux user half as long as a lot of these
individuals, and I can do most tasks in my sleep, without
thinking twice, and that's coming from a JFW and windows
world.
Last thing. Not every blind individual that uses windows
is a JFW user, so people coming from things like NVDA, or
Window Eyes, that I've known, don't seem to have much
trouble at all converting. Sure, you would have to learn a
few new things, but tel me that isn't true about any package
change, even if it's from an older version of JAWS, or
Window Eyes, to the current stable. If you want to see
people get upset, complain, and have to "learn a whole bunch
more" that they aren't used to, look at the support forums
and lists for JFW and such over the past couple years.
Accessibility in one program breaking, while advertised
functionality for new commands they have to learn not being
there.
I guess one final thought afterall. If you are going to
complain aboue Emacs, then you should probably go to the
relevant list for that. This is the orca list, and Orca and
Emacs are two totally different software packages. That
being said, please when you make comparisons, make sure the
right things are being compared, it helps cut down on
confusion.
--
Jason Miller
Vinux PR Coordinator
On 09/01/2012 11:06 AM, Glenn wrote:
Hi All,
I can see why users of eMacs
would not want to change their key bindings,
but if you remain stubborn, and
don't add JFW type of key bindings, the
screenreader will always remain
in the shadows.
Likewise, Microsoft Word has
added the option for Word Perfect users to use
their favorite key bindings, it
is only an option.
If you really want people to try
Linux, you need to give them an easy way to
use it.
Honestly, since I can use Jaws
in my sleep, I do learn some of the Linux
keyboard commands, but I often
forget them, and I mostly only use Linux for
things like saving my Windows
machine.
Glenn
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