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Re: [orca-list] Sonar 12.10 is out

I downloaded an older version of sonar and temporarily installed it on a 
disk.  What surprised me was the opening tone.  I thought it would be a 
sonar ping like what was heard in the submarine movies and on the Sea View 
TV program.  Hopefully I'll find that somewhere else in the 
installation.On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Peter V?gner wrote:


Hello,
Thanks for nice clear and usefull write up. It is a verry good reading and the
features and accessibility support it describes appear to be so great that it
made me to download this new sonar, so I can try it out in a VM first.

I have booted sonar it played a greeting tone and orca came up tallking. I did
know that it originally booted into the gnome classic desktop. I am targetting
gnome shell at this time however I was curious newertheless and explored the
classic gnome as well.
There are several icons on the desktop and it is possible t use arrow keys to
navigate over them.
Hitting alt+F1 like we are used to from gnome 2 also opens a menu which is
fully accessible. Using alt+ctrl+tab to navigate over the pannels works fine
and using arrows to explore the menus works well too.

Then I have found a system menu and inside it a logout entry in the top
pannel. Logging out was accessible.

The fact login screen appeared is also signalled by the clear sound cue.
Hitting ctrl+s on the login screen starts orca and it is really amazing. In
ubuntu 12.04 I was newer able to get this part working.

I can then tab to the session options button. there are three options on this
sonar live cd. Gnome, Gnome classic and gnome classic with no effects.
I have activated the first button saying gnome and then activated ok button.
I then landed inside a password field on the login screen and hit the enter
key to log in.

The login sound greeted me and after a little while orca started up tallking.
However from here I was able to do nothing. Pressing windows+d to go to the
desktop did not work I assume because I have got no feetback from orca.
However focus definatelly went away from the orca main window where it was
prior to hitting windows+d. Using arrow keys to navigate did not help. using
shift+f10 to bring up the context menu did not work in this situation as well.
I have tried to press alt+f1, press escape, press alt+ctrl+tab, alt+tab and
various combination of these but I was unable to get a speech out this. I was
even unable to return back to the accessible orca window. Pressing alt+F2 and
blindly typing in firefox followed by the enter key did not reviewed speech
output either.

So I have decided to take another test drive, shutdown virtual machine and
booted sonar again. I havent explored classic desktop this time. I have
immediatelly logged out and then logged in using gnome.
I have not used windows+d to go to the desktop I have simply tried alt+F1 and
then typing in the search query. I was not getting spoken feetback this time
either. I then tried tabbing around, using arrow keys to navigate, hitting
ctrl+alt+tab but no speech again. I was able to retun back to the orca window
after hitting esc key and then alt+tab.
I am afraid I am doing something wrong or I am not following the suggested
reading to the letter because really I can get no spoken feetback.

Might the problem be that on my machine virtual machine keyboard clashes with
running host machine? For example I am unable to perform shift+tab, windows
key alone and maybe some other keypresses.


Sorry for a negative posting but I am really getting afraid something is wrong
in my setup.

Greetings

Peter

On 12.11.2012 15:29, Dave Hunt  wrote:

Hi,

There is something like the launcher, it's called the top bar, get to it
with 'ctrl+alt+tab'.  Use the arrows to navigate the bar.  Use the enter
key to make selection, and 'shift+f10' for a context menu, with items
like 'add to favorites'.
Maybe this page will help you?

http://accessiblefreedom.org/wiki/index.php?title=GNOME_Shell#Accessing_Your_Desktop_with_the_Orca_Screen_Reader





On 11/12/2012 02:09 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Thanks Jonathan,
I wish to know how then can the activities menu be accessed?
And I hope we have some thing like the launcher pane like in Unity 2d
accessible to Orca?
This way the most frequently used aps can be kept handy and can be
started using a shortcut key.
I am not here to discuss what Gnome shell must and must not have, but to
know what all is accessible with Orca if it is available in the first
place.
Happy Hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Monday 12 November 2012 12:01 AM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:

Hello,

To use gnoem-shell you must press the windows key to get to the shell
in gnome. alt f1 brings you to the activities window which I think is
still inaccessible. Also i'm not sure if I wrote in wrong or not but
you must press control and the letter s at log in for orca to come up
at the log in screen. Also in gnome shell is you press alt control and
tab this will bring you to the top panel. But alt f1 doesn't bring you
to the menu like in gnome 2 or like in gnome classic.

On 11/11/2012 10:19 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Hi Jonathan,
I am really disappointed that I am not able to use the distro.
I downloaded the 64 bit ISo and booted it.
First thing that happened was that it directly booted into Gnome
classic thus did not allow me to choose.
I did a logout and then tryed pressing alt + s more than once, but
Orca did not come up talking at the login prompt.
Never the less, my wife who is sighted did help out by choosing gnome.
When I hit enter on the password prompt, I get Orca speaking after
few seconds.
But unlike classic, here it is just the Orca that speaks.
I pressed alt + f2, nothing is spoken.  I press alt + f1, no response.
Only when the focus is on the Orca window, I here preference, quit
and help buttons.
Kindly tell me what must be wrong.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Sunday 11 November 2012 03:38 PM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:


Hello list,


Sonar version 12.10 is ready for download. This is based of of
Ubuntu 12.10 using classic gnome as the default desktop. But you can
press alt and the letter s for orca to speak at log in and change
the desktop to gnome-shell. Also Libreoffice that comes with Ubuntu
12.10 is replaced with a accessible version of Libreoffice. Here is
a link for the download.


http://sourceforge.net/projects/sonargnulinux/files/



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Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
The manual is
athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp








_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp





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