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Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome

Ah. I did a Gentoo install (the livecds have a working speakup and espeakup now), and installed Gnome and 
Orca from there. Although, thanks to me being an idiot, my system 
is now somewhere between gnome2 and 3, causing all kinda breakage. At-spi won't start, orca has other 
weird-looking tracebacks anyway, etc.

Thanks,
KJ4UFX
{.i doi .tcikoritys. mi cuxna ba'e do}

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 11:20:27PM -0500, Andy B wrote:

For those of us who depend totally on orca to get installs done, Ubuntu is
the only deal. None of the other distros worked. I tried Trisquel 5, Fedora
16, Mint 12, Debian Weezie/Squeeze, RH Enterprise, OpenSues 12.1, other
flavors of Ubuntu 11.10, and arch. Seems like Ubuntu has the lead on this
one.

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On
Behalf Of bigd
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:09 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome

I personally don't like Ubuntu because of it's pulseaudio integration. Can't
say much about Unity or gnome3, have yet to try anything greater than 8.10
and gnome 2.32. 
Though one of these days I may emerge the 180 or so packages it wants me to
for the gnome3 experience...

Thanks,
KJ4UFX
{.i doi .tcikoritys. mi cuxna ba'e do}
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 
09:52:07PM -0600, 
Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:

What do you mean? I don't see any reason in Bill's email to hate Ubuntu.

Do you mean that Unity is the reason most people who hate Ubuntu hate
it? Given that Ubuntu is still the most popular Linux desktop, I don't
think most people hate it.

On 04/01/12 21:22, Andy B wrote:

This is why most people hate Ubuntu...

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Cox [mailto:waywardgeek gmail com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:10 PM
To: Andy B
Cc: Glenn; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome

On the login screen, you can choose your default desktop.  Just choose
"Unity 2D".  The Vinux guys naturally think "Yes! Get rid of that slow

3-D

crud!"  The shocking thing is that this version of the desktop isn't

even

GTK based.  It's using Qt and the new qt-at-spi thingy, I think.  I read
about the rational, and it seems Canonical is very interested in ARM

based

devices, and Qt is already there, so Unity 2D based on Qt may be how

Ubuntu

gets on ARM tablets quickly.

This whole thing is super risky.  Chances are high that Ubuntu will once
again drop a software project, and any work we've done to improve

Unity's

accessibility will be wasted.  However, I've not had any luck getting
improvements into the Gnome 2 desktop, nor has anyone else I've known in

the

community, so I figure my work has better odds of making a difference in
Unity.  I'm also very interested in seeing how Qt a11y compares to GTK.
Orca expanding to support Qt is pretty huge.

Bill

On 1/4/12, Andy B <sonfire11 gmail com> wrote:

How do you get the QT version of unity?

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] 
On Behalf Of Bill Cox
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:42 PM
To: Glenn
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 & Gnome

The default Unity Desktop is based on Gnome 3, so all Ubuntu is 
replacing is the Gnome 3 Shell.  I haven't played around with the Gnome

3

Shell yet.

Does anyone here know it's current a11y status?
The version I'm using when in Ubuntu Oneiric right now is the Unity 2D 
version, based on Qt, rather than GTK.  It's a bit more accessible 
currently than the GTK based Unity, and quite a bit faster.  The panel 
icons talk, which is my favorite enhancement over the Gnome 2 Shell so 
far, though I also like that I hit the super key, type a couple 
letters and hit enter, and I'm running an app.  Common applications I 
launch with super+number.  I find this much easier than navigating 
menus by keyboard.  It took a while to get used to hitting F10 to get 
to the top panel, though.  I require use of the Compiz magnifier.  Can 
compiz be used with the Gnome 3 Shell?  I'd read that it does not work 
with either Gnome 3 Shell or Unity, but the article was wrong about 
Unity.  I've noticed some lag in Unity lately due I think to the 
switch to D-Bus with at-spi2, but it's not that bad, and hopefully the 
D-Bus latency can be reduced.  Other features I like in Unity are due 
to being low vision, rather than blind.  This desktop looks like it 
wants to run on touch tablets, so it's assuming a 10" screen, and 
therefore eliminates a ton of clutter.  For guys with great vision, 
Unity will look rather plain.  The top panel has the active

application's

menus, the system menu, and notification tray.

Everything else disappears, leaving almost all of the screen free for 
use by the application.  This is pretty nice for magnifier users on

laptops.


If anyone can give a summary of the Gnome 3 Shell a11y, I'd very much 
appreciate it.  I read there's a guy named Benjamen doing a lot of 
a11y related code in the GTK core.  Are there any a11y upgrades in the 
Gnome 3 Shell over Gnome 2 Shell?

Thanks,
Bill

On 12/30/11, Glenn <GlennErvin cableone net> wrote:

Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone is planning on building a new version of 
Ubuntu with Gnome instead of Unity, so we can get the benefit of the

latest Ubuntu.

I'd rather not have to do that myself.
Glenn

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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp




_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at

http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp



-- 
Christopher (CJ)
chaltain gmail com
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at

http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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